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It's easier to change Perry White or Jimmy Olsen to African-American, though, because 1) you get a minority character in the cast and 2) the minority character is assured of being a prominent one, instead of window dressing.
Having said that, I'll admit to be mildly surprised when this indeed happened to Perry White and Jimmy Olsen recently, since they are rather iconic to the average person themselves outside of our hobby.
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I agree. I just think that if they're going to change a character's race, then they have to commit, not go "okay, who are we going to turn black this time?" every time they start a new production.
Now, on Wally's case specifically, they just screwed up the opportunity, no 2 ways about that. It was the wrong character to use, at the wrong time, and they did in the wrongest possible way.
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Characters like Kamala Khan, Miles Morales, and Riri Williams kind of prove that point wrong, though. At least in the comics. And that's the thing: minority characters would have no problem getting face time if DC actually invested the effort in making a place for them. However, it seems that DC would just rather take the easy way out instead of investing the way Marvel did with the three characters I just mentioned. DC used to be able to do that too. Characters like John Stewart and John Henry Irons and Virgil Hawkins all became beloved DC characters because the company invested in them and made a place for them in the DCU. Even more recent examples like Jaime Reyes, Jessica Cruz, and Simon Baz are proof that DC can still do that. Unfortunately, though, it seems like they would much rather take the road that requires as little effort as possible, as opposed to a genuine attempt at inclusivity.
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I know but the point still stands even there. For example, Miles and Anya are currently appearing in the newest Spider-Man cartoon. Also, Static had an entire animated series devoted to him in the 2000s, which naturally featured a plurality of characters of color. So, yeah, I think it just shows that DC wouldn't have to purposefully alter existing characters to appeal to a demographic if they just had faith that their existing POC characters would appeal to audiences.
In the case of Will Smith and Laurence Fishburne being cast, it was probably just the case that they are two really fantastic actors. But in cases where the changes aren't organically arrived at, it doesn't really mirror true diversity. If we change Wally or Deadshot, that doesn't change either of them into strong examples if diversity. Comic book Wally and Deadshot are still white or at least still have decades' worth of comics portraying them as white. So, it doesn't mean DC is suddenly more "hip," it just means they dont have faith that their existing or new minority characters could appeal to the general audience.