Dr. Doomsday vs Thanos

[The Arbiter]

Inspired by the Amalgam comics character.

Dr. Doom's intellect/mind/soul whatever gets full control of HP Doomsdays body. He then covers that body in his typical armor, so he gets all the benefits of Dr. Doom added and stacked. He has full use of all his intellect, willpower, magic etc.

First round:
Khazan, normal conditions

Second round:
Dr. Doomsday has to find and kill Thanos when he is in one of his "farmer, wanderlust, hobo" moods. Meaning he isn't suspecting the attack. Doom gets full access to Latveria resources but the living tribunal says he's NOT allowed to mess with time, nor alter reality (prime mover) in regards to prep. He needs to find and kill Thanos in 6 months time. Achievable?

[Beadle]

In the first round, no. Doom is just smart enough to know how dead he is.

In the second round... Given Doom’s willpower and the crap he is willing to put himself through to get power, I can totally see Doom creating a series of increasingly horrific deaths for himself to evolve from. Add to that essentially 6 months of one-sided Doomprep, I see no reason at all why he couldn’t take out Thanos.

[Captain Morgan]

In the first round, no. Doom is just smart enough to know how dead he is.

In the second round... Given Doom’s willpower and the crap he is willing to put himself through to get power, I can totally see Doom creating a series of increasingly horrific deaths for himself to evolve from. Add to that essentially 6 months of one-sided Doomprep, I see no reason at all why he couldn’t take out Thanos.

I don't actually know about that. Peak Doomsday basically treated the Morrison era JLA like wet tissue, which is pretty Thanos-y for sheer brickness. He also adapted to counter things like phasing on the fly, so transmutation seems questionable without Sentry level power backing it up. (Thanos may be a Sentry class foe, but I don't think he has that level of transmutation.) Telepathy seems unlikely given Dooms will power. Thanos's go to move when fighting bricks that are strong enough to not be worth the bother is teleportation. I feel pretty confident Doom can himself teleport with everything else he has.

Would Victor's force fields stack with inherent durability like Lantern's does? Or would this basically be a super durable brick padded in a light layer of bubble wrap?

The big issue is I can't think of anything Doctor Doomsday could do to Thanos without prep. He can slug it out with him, but he ain't dropping the Mad Titan with his fists. So unless DDD can figure out how to induce some sort of Drax style anti Thanos power evolution on the fly, I would guess eventually Thanos tears off the armor and tech and then dumps him into a black hole.

[The Drunkard Kid]

Was Hunter Pray Doomsday doing anything like throwing down with and KOing a guy that tears up stars with his bare hands, such that the backwash of their strikes was causing the Moon of the planet they were on to explode? Or taking a PO'd shot from a casual planet buster like the Silver Surfer and literally not even changing his expression?

[Captain Morgan]

Was Hunter Pray Doomsday doing anything like throwing down with and KOing a guy that tears up stars with his bare hands, such that the backwash of their strikes was causing the Moon of the planet they were on to explode? Or taking a PO'd shot from a casual planet buster like the Silver Surfer and literally not even changing his expression?

I mean the Morrison era JLA included Kyle Rayner, for example, and Doomsday had that whole "tear through the GLC and only gets stopped by a Guardian killing themselves to do it." That latter bit may be a bridge too far, but Kyle has Surfer level feats.

[Cronus]

It's actually quite a nod to Thanos that you can stack Dr Doom with Doomsday and still have to wonder if Doom could pull this off. I think I'm like some here; esoterics including telepathy and/or telepathy defense are not enough to give Dr DD an advantage of any sort over Thanos. I think this would include any mystical whamma zamma's Doom could throw at Thanos.

The only thing I wonder is if Doom can use neural scrambling against Thanos and it be enough to work on him. He did it once from a distance on Joe Fixit and against Colossus, but hands on that time.

About the only thing I could come up with that might work on Thanos.

As far as Doom's personal force fields, not too bad actually. I think in Secret Wars (the old one) Doom's force field tanked a near nuclear explosion, but not nearly enough to deal with the devastation Thanos will be delivering. Yeah, Thanos should win this.

Also, given Thanos ability to teleport over vast distances, I'm doubtful as to DDD being able to BFR with any success.

[Pendaran]

Was Hunter Pray Doomsday doing anything like throwing down with and KOing a guy that tears up stars with his bare hands, such that the backwash of their strikes was causing the Moon of the planet they were on to explode? Or taking a PO'd shot from a casual planet buster like the Silver Surfer and literally not even changing his expression?

The planet, the backwash of their strikes blew up the planet they were fighting on.

Amusing sidebar, so I like to go on about how as we get closer to Infinity War the movie, Thanos will be more consistently written down in power level to someone the Avengers can beat up, and yet apparently in his own series, dude just blew up a planet as nothing but the side effect of him ramming a guy through it.

So he has a ways to fall, I suppose.

[Crawfo]

The planet, the backwash of their strikes blew up the planet they were fighting on.

Amusing sidebar, so I like to go on about how as we get closer to Infinity War the movie, Thanos will be more consistently written down in power level to someone the Avengers can beat up, and yet apparently in his own series, dude just blew up a planet as nothing but the side effect of him ramming a guy through it.

So he has a ways to fall, I suppose.

Well I am hoping Thanos doesn't lose his newfound power level to soon, of if he does I hope he returns to his usual base level. His current story line had him depowered and suffering a terminal illness, now he has attained an even higher level of power via the convenient and previously unknown "God quarry" plot device. Enough might to let him throw down with his Phoenix force empowered son Thane. I am no fan of Thane as a charchter but it was a weird image of Thanos supermanning him through a planet.

In other news looks like you might be right about Black Bolt's nerfing. I really thought it wasn't going to happen, I mean the fact his "voice" is so uncontrollably powerful is a huge part of his character but as of the latest issue of his series, Black Bolt has lost his "voice", apparently for good.

[The Dork Knight]

Was Hunter Pray Doomsday doing anything like throwing down with and KOing a guy that tears up stars with his bare hands, such that the backwash of their strikes was causing the Moon of the planet they were on to explode? Or taking a PO'd shot from a casual planet buster like the Silver Surfer and literally not even changing his expression?

HP Doomsday in the short time he existed more or less ignored Superman wailing on him, Darkseid's OBs on a day they were one shotting Superman level folks. He then has some nifty stuff like walking through the big 7 JLA line up and then later Orion and Martian manhunter in under a minute. He also has a bit where he tore through the Impereix army with Superman, whose individual members were wrecking the JLA

He's at least physically comparable to Thanos though lacking in a number of categories that Doom might help bridge...

[Cronus]

I suppose we could make a comparison between Thanos and Doomsday's durability considering that it was entropy that finally destroyed Doomsie at the end of that book. Not so sure in the strength department though. Thanos going toe to toe with a power gem Thor, destroying not one, but two planets now (see latest Thanos....the fight is worth the read) as a side effect of skirmishes with other heavies. Thanos might be a level above Doomsday in raw brute strength.

[Guy Smiley]

1) Almost certainly Thanos, unless Doom's considered to have standard equipment to deal with Thanos' esoterics.

2) Doomprep deals with the esoterics and allows him to make a really good fight of it.

I don't actually know about that. Peak Doomsday basically treated the Morrison era JLA like wet tissue, which is pretty Thanos-y for sheer brickness. He also adapted to counter things like phasing on the fly, so transmutation seems questionable without Sentry level power backing it up. (Thanos may be a Sentry class foe, but I don't think he has that level of transmutation.) Telepathy seems unlikely given Dooms will power. Thanos's go to move when fighting bricks that are strong enough to not be worth the bother is teleportation. I feel pretty confident Doom can himself teleport with everything else he has.

Would Victor's force fields stack with inherent durability like Lantern's does? Or would this basically be a super durable brick padded in a light layer of bubble wrap?

The big issue is I can't think of anything Doctor Doomsday could do to Thanos without prep. He can slug it out with him, but he ain't dropping the Mad Titan with his fists. So unless DDD can figure out how to induce some sort of Drax style anti Thanos power evolution on the fly, I would guess eventually Thanos tears off the armor and tech and then dumps him into a black hole.

So, here's the thing - Doomsday's evolution power is explicitly explained as a biological process being performed by his cells. I'd buy that he could cobble up a transmutation resistance power if he was partially exposed, or was turned into a coatrack and then changed back, but Thanos should be able to completely turn Doomsday into an adamantium statue if he wanted, which would prevent Doomsday from exerting the biological processes required to evolve in the first place. (And yeah, I know, it's comics, where that wouldn't be a guarantee of anything, but to my recollection HPDD doesn't actually have a feat of being transmuted and evolving past it to counteract the argument.) Thanos's offensive transmutation is, IIRC, one of his Eternal molecular control abilities focused offensively in a manner similar to Sersi. He isn't leaving a cell behind like you could argue a beam might.

That said, I don't know if Thanos can do it through Doom's forcefields. He might need to breach them first, which could be trickier if DDD decides to play keep-away instead of closing for melee.

Also in question is whether Thanos can rig up a continuous teleport. One of the ways DD was dealt with was getting put in a form of teleport stasis, where he was shunted into a network of teleport arrays which just continually teleported him, preventing him from evolving by just never giving him any time to do so in. If he was capable of capturing Doom-Doom in a similar trap, it'd prevent Doom from actually activating any way to teleport out, since he wouldn't have time for his neurons to fire or his armor's computers to activate.

Doom's forcefields might be worth something here. They've no-sold stuff like Thor flinging Mjolnir at him before. It's saying something when Sentry tearing through them in a few seconds is considered a relevant feat for Sentry. That said, we usually put Sentry at around Thanos levels of power, so they're probably only buying DDD a few seconds of time in the first fight too. (In fight 2, Doomprep might include finding a few cosmic power sources to link to them, significantly increasing the duration they could put up with that kind of punishment.)

[Captain Morgan]

1) Almost certainly Thanos, unless Doom's considered to have standard equipment to deal with Thanos' esoterics.

2) Doomprep deals with the esoterics and allows him to make a really good fight of it.




So, here's the thing - Doomsday's evolution power is explicitly explained as a biological process being performed by his cells. I'd buy that he could cobble up a transmutation resistance power if he was partially exposed, or was turned into a coatrack and then changed back, but Thanos should be able to completely turn Doomsday into an adamantium statue if he wanted, which would prevent Doomsday from exerting the biological processes required to evolve in the first place. (And yeah, I know, it's comics, where that wouldn't be a guarantee of anything, but to my recollection HPDD doesn't actually have a feat of being transmuted and evolving past it to counteract the argument.) Thanos's offensive transmutation is, IIRC, one of his Eternal molecular control abilities focused offensively in a manner similar to Sersi. He isn't leaving a cell behind like you could argue a beam might.

That said, I don't know if Thanos can do it through Doom's forcefields. He might need to breach them first, which could be trickier if DDD decides to play keep-away instead of closing for melee.

Also in question is whether Thanos can rig up a continuous teleport. One of the ways DD was dealt with was getting put in a form of teleport stasis, where he was shunted into a network of teleport arrays which just continually teleported him, preventing him from evolving by just never giving him any time to do so in. If he was capable of capturing Doom-Doom in a similar trap, it'd prevent Doom from actually activating any way to teleport out, since he wouldn't have time for his neurons to fire or his armor's computers to activate.

Doom's forcefields might be worth something here. They've no-sold stuff like Thor flinging Mjolnir at him before. It's saying something when Sentry tearing through them in a few seconds is considered a relevant feat for Sentry. That said, we usually put Sentry at around Thanos levels of power, so they're probably only buying DDD a few seconds of time in the first fight too. (In fight 2, Doomprep might include finding a few cosmic power sources to link to them, significantly increasing the duration they could put up with that kind of punishment.)

You're probably right about Thanos's transmutation working on Doomsday. I'm skeptical that it would work on Doctor Doomsday though, given Victor's level of esoterics and magic. Transmutation is a common enough power to where I'd be a little flabbergasted if he didn't have a counter-measure built in by now.

[Pendaran]

Anyway taking on and beating Kyle and the JLA and the likes of Jonn and Orion in under a minute is pretty up there in terms of physical oomph as is. Doesn't make him immune to Kyle's more esoteric attacks or anything but that combined with the performance against the Impereix probes should give him the sheer physicality to even compete with Thanos, something most folks this side of Silver Age Superman just straight up lack

I'm not inclined to put a lot of stock in anything that happened in OWAW for anything, given stuff like Superman outperforming the entire JLA combined even before a sundip.