Star Wars - The Last Jedi *new trailer* SPOILERS!

[Punisher007]

Visually it looks FANTASTIC!!

Finn dueling Phasma, cool.

I'm surprised that we got pretty much nothing with Rose or Holdo here.

That last shot had better be a fake-out.

Still iffy on what they're doing with Luke. I don't really buy him taking this as the big message from Kylo's fall, but we'll see if they can make that believable.

That shot with Snoke is creepy, but hopefully it's not the end of the film. And for the love of all things sacred, don't have her be stupid enough to join him.

I hope that we get a direct Kylo vs. Leia confrontation at some point.


Honestly the trailers for TFA got me far more excited to see that film than this does to see TLJ.

[Punisher007]

I'll take a stab: Rey is going to be disenchanted with Luke to some degree, which will lead her to seeking out more knowledge elsewhere, like Anakin. She will indeed go with Kylo when they next meet, and he'll bring her to Snoke. I think this is where the similarities with Anakin end though and she will realize her mistake. She won't join them, which leads to Snoke attacking her. Meanwhile the potential to fail someone again will reignite something in Luke, who drops his angst and goes after Rey. When she needs him most Luke will arrive, green saber blazing and we'll see him in action once more.

Honestly that sounds terrible. And it'd make Rey look like a clueless moron.

[WebLurker]

Who thinks Kylo pulls the trigger and kills Leia?

It would be a simple way to explain why she's not in the next movie (given that LucasFilm as gone on record that that's their plan). I guess it depends on the story they want to tell. If they want Kylo to have some kind of redemption story, I don't think he can do it (and have the audience buy the redemption, although I don't think I could buy it at this point, personally). If he's not going to, then let 'er rip, I guess. (Not sure if I want him to kill Leia, though, although done right, it could be really effective. And, honestly, how can they write Leia out of the series effectively without her dying? She wouldn't walk away from the war.)

Captain Phasma looked cool. I bet she kicks Finn's butt.

We'll see. I am looking forward to that grudge match.

Looking at the end of the trailer again, I don't think Rey and Kylo are in the same scene. It looks like there's fire raining down around Kylo, but there isn't any around Rey. I think now that it's misdirection

I've heard that, too. Given that I don't want Rey to fall, I hope that is the case. However, I do wonder what, exactly, Kylo is reaching for or to whom. (I somehow think it might be more likely that Kylo defects then Rey defects.)

I think Rey is definitely more powerful. Luke says he's only seen one other person with this much power before and it could only be four other people: Vader, Kylo, Snoke or Sidious. I don't think it's either of the latter. He never really had a lot of interaction with Sidious and I have a feeling he hasn't met Snoke yet. But I could be wrong and perhaps he has.

That leaves Vader and Kylo. Vader was supposed to be the strongest force wielder ever. Kylo is very strong too, but he was genuinely concerned when he saw Rey use the force like she did to crack the ground with that much force. Plus, she was able to rival Kylo the very first time she met him and she hadn't even had any training yet, but Kylo did.

My guess, and that's all it is, is Luke was talking about Vader, but knowing Disney, I'm probably wrong and he is talking about Snoke or Kylo.

It's hard to say. Given that he said he wasn't afraid of the power the first time, but is now, that might suggest Kylo Ren; e.g. Luke is fearing that history will repeat itself with Rey or something.

[Tugger]

It would be a simple way to explain why she's not in the next movie (given that LucasFilm as gone on record that that's their plan). I guess it depends on the story they want to tell. If they want Kylo to have some kind of redemption story, I don't think he can do it (and have the audience buy the redemption, although I don't think I could buy it at this point, personally). If he's not going to, then let 'er rip, I guess. (Not sure if I want him to kill Leia, though, although done right, it could be really effective. And, honestly, how can they write Leia out of the series effectively without her dying? She wouldn't walk away from the war.)

Leia was said to be a central character in Ep 9, so presumably they wouldn't have filmed a death scene for 8 (unless her involvement in 9 was to be as a force ghost). That to me implies if Leia were to die, it would have been filmed after Carrie's sad passing, so her death would effectively be 'off- screen' e.g. a ship blowing up.

Given the limited options without using CGI, this would probably be the best way of writing her out.

As for the redemption of Kylo, he is so pathetic I don't really care if it does happen.

[Jokerz79]

Going my the trailer which is great this is what I think will happen I'll spoiler tag my speculation just in case some doesn't want to read spec.

spoilers:

Luke will reject Rey. Kylo will not be able to kill Leia and Snoke will end up doing so and kidnap Rey which will create a wedge between Snoke and Kylo. I think the film will end with Kylo agree to help Rey in the ways of the Jedi to stop Snoke and they together are the Last Jedi.

end of spoilers

[FishyZombie]

Still sucks that Han, Luke and Leia all basically ended up a bunch of miserable failures. The Empire is still kicking in the form of the First Order. Their New Republic was apparently an ineffective government that just got its capital blown up. Han and Leia's kid turned out to be a psychopath, destroyed Luke's attempt at rebuilding the Jedi, rendering him a recluse, and then killed Han. Might as well just let the Empire win if the good guys are so goddamn pathetic at this point.
Still this looks pretty epic, I hope it's better than Force Awakens.

[Jokerz79]

Still sucks that Han, Luke and Leia all basically ended up a bunch of miserable failures. The Empire is still kicking in the form of the First Order. Their New Republic was apparently an ineffective government that just got its capital blown up. Han and Leia's kid turned out to be a psychopath, destroyed Luke's attempt at rebuilding the Jedi, rendering him a recluse, and then killed Han. Might as well just let the Empire win if the good guys are so goddamn pathetic at this point.

The remnants of the Empire the First Order only control a small part of the galaxy compared to the former Empire. I would suspect those who live in the New Republic and out of the Empire's rule would disagree about them and the rebellion being a failure.

[FishyZombie]

The remnants of the Empire the First Order only control a small part of the galaxy compared to the former Empire. I would suspect those who live in the New Republic and out of the Empire's rule would disagree about them and the rebellion being a failure.

who knows? we're probably not going to see any of those planets outsides the solar system that's gotten blown up. Effectively writing the Republic outta the picture. Because they probably don't wanna mess with the pseudo New Hope status quo. Which means all powerful evil Empire and underdog Rebellion. Which I get, that's the safe approach. But, Ben and Yoda being reclusive failures in the OT worked as they weren't coming back from a trilogy that ended with them beating the guys they're now hiding from, well besides Leia, she seems to have fared better than Luke and Han

[Punisher007]

[QUOTE=The Whovian;3152801]I think Rey is definitely more powerful. Luke says he's only seen one other person with this much power before and it could only be four other people: Vader, Kylo, Snoke or Sidious. I don't think it's either of the latter. He never really had a lot of interaction with Sidious and I have a feeling he hasn't met Snoke yet. But I could be wrong and perhaps he has.

That leaves Vader and Kylo. Vader was supposed to be the strongest force wielder ever. Kylo is very strong too, but he was genuinely concerned when he saw Rey use the force like she did to crack the ground with that much force. Plus, she was able to rival Kylo the very first time she met him and she hadn't even had any training yet, but Kylo did.

I'm like 99% sure that he means Kylo. It makes the most sense. He wasn't scared enough of Kylo's raw power during their training together, and Kylo ended up destroying Luke's Jedi Order. And now he's scared that the same thing might happen with Rey.

Also TFA went out of it's way to give Kylo "outs" for why he lost there, and it wouldn't surprise me if this movie ran with that idea. "She didn't beat him at his full strength" and all that stuff.

[Starter Set]

Still sucks that Han, Luke and Leia all basically ended up a bunch of miserable failures. The Empire is still kicking in the form of the First Order. Their New Republic was apparently an ineffective government that just got its capital blown up. Han and Leia's kid turned out to be a psychopath, destroyed Luke's attempt at rebuilding the Jedi, rendering him a recluse, and then killed Han. Might as well just let the Empire win if the good guys are so goddamn pathetic at this point.
Still this looks pretty epic, I hope it's better than Force Awakens.

Yeah, it's like "you know everything that happened in the OT? Well, it didn't accomplish ****". The rebellion 2.0 still looks like as ragged and missing funds as they did during the civil war for some reasons, said civil war is still going on by the way after 2 Death Stars destroyed and a lot of dead ewoks, and of course the New Empire is...the Empire cause why bother to give a new flavor eh? (they even have their own little ugly ass emperor, fancy that)

[Punisher007]

Yeah, it's like "you know everything that happened in the OT? Well, it didn't accomplish ****". The rebellion 2.0 still looks like as ragged and missing funds as they did during the civil war for some reasons, said civil war is still going on by the way after 2 Death Stars destroyed and a lot of dead ewoks, and of course the New Empire is...the Empire cause why bother to give a new flavor eh? (they even have their own little ugly ass emperor, fancy that)

Shh, you go onto the SW boards and they'll argue that that's a GOOD thing. That it makes them more "interesting."

[Punisher007]

Yeah, it's like "you know everything that happened in the OT? Well, it didn't accomplish ****". The rebellion 2.0 still looks like as ragged and missing funds as they did during the civil war for some reasons, said civil war is still going on by the way after 2 Death Stars destroyed and a lot of dead ewoks, and of course the New Empire is...the Empire cause why bother to give a new flavor eh? (they even have their own little ugly ass emperor, fancy that)

Shh, you go onto the SW boards and they'll argue that that's a GOOD thing. That it makes them more "interesting."

EDIT: Sorry, double post.

[Za Waldo]

This new trailer was a whole fucking lot better than the first one. This should have been the first trailer right now, and the first trailer shouldn't have even been a thing. Disney should have just given their Thor trailer some breathing room. Instead they stupidly released a pretty bland Star Wars trailer right after they released that fantastic Thor trailer, creating a situation they probably didn't want, which is people pit two of their own movies again each other. Anyways, new trailer is great, makes me want to see it again, and I kind of had very little interest before.

I am a little worried though that this one will be them remaking The Empire Strikes Back. I see that training stuff, and it just makes me think we're going to get a movie that unfolds much the same way as Empire. After they just remade Star Wars with The Force Awakens, I was hoping they'd use that playing it safe first new Star Wars movie to springboard off into something different, but it seems like maybe they won't be. Then again I'm also down for a Star Wars training movie, and if the director has learned something from the likes of Kill Bill Vol. 2, Drunken Master, (which I'm pretty sure is where Yoda comes from anyways) The 36th Chamber of Shaolin, Shaolin Temple, Executioners from Shaolin, 5 Fingers of Death, and Five Deadly Venoms it could be a lot of fun.

Could actually see something like the intro to the 5 Deadly Venoms in Deadly Venoms working as a nice intro into Luke talking about the Knights of Rin. Kind of going to be weird if we don't learn anything about them in this movie.

Still sucks that Han, Luke and Leia all basically ended up a bunch of miserable failures. The Empire is still kicking in the form of the First Order. Their New Republic was apparently an ineffective government that just got its capital blown up. Han and Leia's kid turned out to be a psychopath, destroyed Luke's attempt at rebuilding the Jedi, rendering him a recluse, and then killed Han. Might as well just let the Empire win if the good guys are so goddamn pathetic at this point.
Still this looks pretty epic, I hope it's better than Force Awakens.

You forgot that Han is in the same place he was when we first met him. Right back to being a criminal with a bounty on his head with other criminals after him. Kind of a big backslide from where he was.

[Grind]

I think Kylo was the "raw power" Snoke was talking about and Rey was the "something special."

Kylo had daddy issues. Killing Han was easy, he wanted it. Usually though if you have daddy issues then you're a mamma's boy. I have to say Kylo doesn't kill Leia even though it's button easy.

And I think the shelf of rock Luke and Rey were standing on broke. Rey and Luke were standing when the crack appeared. Rey then is show concentrating with the pebbles raising. I think she is levitating the shelf with herself and Luke on it.

I'm old school, so I still have to say Anakin/Vader is the strongest ever. I would have to put Rey and Kylo at Yoda/ Palpatine Force strength. Who knows who or what Snoke is yet. I would be disappointed if Snoke > Palpatine though. Palps is one of the evilest characters in any movie. Palps is dripping dark side. Snoke, at least visually since that's all we have, just isn't doing it for me. If I knew nothing about the new trilogy I could say he was the casino owner in TLJ.

[Grind]

Just rewatched it and I stand corrected. Rey was meditating when the rock broke.

What if Kylo is holding his hand out to Leia? Maybe he rescues her instead of kills her?