[Serious question] Why does Dan Slott get more criticism than Straczynski

[Lukmendes]

Peter being an "everyman" is more to the idea of the character than the character himself, a super-hero who's a struggling with money with some relatable problems, and that's where it stops, his character outside of super-heroing is basicaly a super genius, loser, who's a pussy magnet, I'm pretty sure the "everyman" is not like that lol.

[blackspidey2099]

Wonder what I've been reading all this time then?

Well, you haven't been reading Spider-Man, as you've yourself admitted...

[Mister Mets]

With Spider-Man, that ship sailed a very long time ago. Spider-Man's a lot like Batman in that various Marvel creators have felt like they could fit Spider-Man into all kinds of stories because they finds he can slip into them very comfortably. Why else would there be a number of Spider-Man stories where the wall-crawler interacts with Thanos?

JMS' run was a little more pronounced than most, but it was by no means a "genre switch" for Spider-Man.



Again, doesn't really change that I don't think internet polls are unscientific and shouldn't be used as evidence of anything beyond a discussion on the internet.

But if the discussion is about the sense that one writer is more popular than another, it's worth looking to see if the internet polls support that view.

[Kevinroc]

But if the discussion is about the sense that one writer is more popular than another, it's worth looking to see if the internet polls support that view.

The only poll that really matters are sales.

[Mister Mets]

The only poll that really matters are sales.

That would suggest a different comparison, although one that would be difficult since we don't know how JMS would do in the comics market ten years after he left.

[Spiderfang]

The only poll that really matters are sales.

TASM has been selling well for year with Slott on board as the lead writer, however that does not change the fact that there is an air of unpleasantness surrounding his indefinite tenure on the title.

[WeirdSpider]

But if the discussion is about the sense that one writer is more popular than another, it's worth looking to see if the internet polls support that view.

Internet polls mean jack since you will get different results depending on the site. A pro Spider Marriage site with be more likely to have a more negative view of post One More Day stories than CBR.

[Kevinroc]

That would suggest a different comparison, although one that would be difficult since we don't know how JMS would do in the comics market ten years after he left.

Marvel is still a business. And sales are what matters in the end.

TASM has been selling well for year with Slott on board as the lead writer, however that does not change the fact that there is an air of unpleasantness surrounding his indefinite tenure on the title.

I've personally grown very tired of this run and would like to see a new creative team take over. Given sales are what they are, I can tell I'm not the only one.

[WebLurker]

Well, you haven't been reading Spider-Man, as you've yourself admitted...

Yeah, you're right, I've only got-forty some Spider-Man trade paperbacks on my shelf -- outnumbering everything else I've got in my entire trades collection.

I may be no Jedi, but I do know the Force, if you get my drift.

TASM has been selling well for year with Slott on board as the lead writer, however that does not change the fact that there is an air of unpleasantness surrounding his indefinite tenure on the title.

Wonder how much of that is his fault and how much of that is ours?

[Mister Mets]

Internet polls mean jack since you will get different results depending on the site. A pro Spider Marriage site with be more likely to have a more negative view of post One More Day stories than CBR.

The Top 50 stories poll was of general CBR readers, so it's going to get a wide array of opinions, including from softer Spider-Man fans (those that might read some Spider-Man comics, but aren't going to argue about it in the forums.)

Marvel is still a business. And sales are what matters in the end.



I've personally grown very tired of this run and would like to see a new creative team take over. Given sales are what they are, I can tell I'm not the only one.

While sales matter, it's still difficult to measure the current comics against a counterfactual (IE- what if JMS was writing the married Spider-Man now?)

[WebLurker]

While sales matter, it's still difficult to measure the current comics against a counterfactual (IE- what if JMS was writing the married Spider-Man now?)

Yeah, I think we forget this a lot; that we can never know for sure about what-ifs and whatnot.

[blackspidey2099]

Yeah, you're right, I've only got-forty some Spider-Man trade paperbacks on my shelf -- outnumbering everything else I've got in my entire trades collection.

I may be no Jedi, but I do know the Force, if you get my drift.

No, sorry, I was just playing. :P Should have made that more clear in my post.

Anyways, I’m glad you’ve finally got more Spider-Man TPBs! I hope you started getting more 616 Spidey though, since IMO he’s way better than Ultimate. Have you got any of the Marvel Masterworks yet? JMS’s run? I know you said you have Kraven’s Last Hunt and RYV.

[Kevinroc]

The Top 50 stories poll was of general CBR readers, so it's going to get a wide array of opinions, including from softer Spider-Man fans (those that might read some Spider-Man comics, but aren't going to argue about it in the forums.)

These polls are unscientific and should only be used for fun discussions. They should not be treated as a measure of Spider-Man fans.

While sales matter, it's still difficult to measure the current comics against a counterfactual (IE- what if JMS was writing the married Spider-Man now?)

Would JMS have kept writing Spider-Man in this scenario? Just come on now with the marriage being reinstated?

I'm not quite sure what scenario you're arguing.

[WebLurker]

These polls are unscientific and should only be used for fun discussions. They should not be treated as a measure of Spider-Man fans.

Seconded. We're taking this way too seriously (and in the bad way, IMHO).

Would JMS have kept writing Spider-Man in this scenario? Just come on now with the marriage being reinstated?

I'm not quite sure what scenario you're arguing.

I should probably let Mister Mets speak for himself, but I read that statement as meaning, in effect: "It's impossible to know if an ASM series where Spider-Man never did OMD back in 2007 and was still married to Mary Jane now would've sold better than the post-OMD series we actually got." (So, if that's not what you meant, Mister Mets, I'd like to be corrected).

Personally, I think that a non-OMD ASM would not have generated the sheer amount of controversy and pushback that has and is going on and that sales would be comparable to the real ones we've got now (I'm deeply suspicious that even if OMD didn't hurt ASM as much as pro-marriage fans may think, it did not help it like the pro-OMD factions believe).

However, I can't prove that since, unlike Star Trek's Sphere Builders, we can't see how the alternative would've unfolded, meaning my theory is just baseless conjecture (and no doubt tainted by my extreme dislike of the post-OMD ASM status quo and rejection of everything it stands for).

[Mister Mets]

These polls are unscientific and should only be used for fun discussions. They should not be treated as a measure of Spider-Man fans.



Would JMS have kept writing Spider-Man in this scenario? Just come on now with the marriage being reinstated?

I'm not quite sure what scenario you're arguing.

It would be whatever scenario is suggested by a comparison of current sales to sales eleven years ago.