Wolverine/Cyclops vs. Iron Man/Captain America: Which rivalry makes more sense?

[QuinnFillory]

For the past decade, the feuding between these two pairs has, for the most part, dominated the Marvel comics and they have been the spines for a lot of major events (Civil War, Schism, AvX, Time Runs Out, etc). I was wondering, does it even make sense for these guys to fighting each other up to the level it has reached? If so, which feud has more of a point?

For me, Logan vs. Scott makes the most sense. It basically started due to Logan's obsession with Jean. No one is going to like it when someone else starts openly panting after their partner. Add to it Logan's disrespect for Scott, and it was bound to explode at some point.

[HaveAtThee]

The Wolverine/Cyclops feud has more depth to it as it is more personal. Given how much Marvel has both pairs (and their cohorts) feuding it's difficult to tell if any of these characters are even friends anymore.

[cc008]

The only reason there's a Logan/Scott rivalry is because of that stupid love triangle. If not for that, they work considerably well together. I'd argue Logan has a huge amount of respect for Scott. (Traditionally, not as of late with the stupid schism)

Wolverine is a soldier. Scott calls the shots. And they both do their jobs very well and respect each other for it.

Tony and Cap always struck me as much more likely to clash.

[ChronoRogue]

Ideologically Wolverine and Cyclops have become more similar over time.

We got the full culmination of Cyclops is not-a-boyscout anymore when Wolverine was awkwardly pushed to be the one saying "oh but think of the children!" during Aaron's run. Because being on a death squad and routinely breaking his promise of no-killing makes Wolverine the best authority on moral rigidity? Editorial during that time were off their rockers.

But yeah, its mostly macho posturing and Jean that flare up their tempers. Wolverine just has problems with authority in general and Cyclops has a hard time communicating with people, so I think even if Jean wasn't around, they'd still find something to argue about it. But it's more about finding things to argue about then serious disagreements.

I agree that Captain America and Iron Man are different. I think they want to get along, but can't because they view the world differently. So you get events like CW where it drives the difference home.

[quibo]

Why can't both conflicts make perfect sense? It seems like an odd way to frame the conversation.

Wolverine is a soldier. Scott calls the shots. And they both do their jobs very well and respect each other for it.

And to be honest this characterization always struck me as foolish and way off the mark. Not only is Logan much more naturally suited to the role, he is vastly more experienced in all the relevant areas, including actual leadership and military experience. It's just the idea that Wolverine's a loner that lends it any sort if credibility, but that's been proven to not be a problem a number of times too.

I don't know that these factors have ever been an explicitly stated motivation for any conflict, but they always made it seem natural and sensible to me when they were bumping heads.

[MajorHoy]

For me, Logan vs. Scott makes the most sense. It basically started due to Logan's obsession with Jean. No one is going to like it when someone else starts openly panting after their partner. Add to it Logan's disrespect for Scott, and it was bound to explode at some point.

But all of that was/should have been so last century.
After a decade or three, it becomes ridiculous.

[theoneandonly]

captain america vs iron man was a long time in offing. it made sense in a way that the idealistic soldier would clash with the capitalistic bourgeoise over various isuues ad they would have radically different point of views on doing things. There has also been a pro.otuon of view that most of marvel universe follows the lead of either of them much like Superman and batman so it was always on the cards to see who will side with whom in a feud which was what civil war was about.

[davew128]

The Cyclops/Wolverine rivalry is more well publicized, but in truth Iron Man/Captain America butting heads goes back a long way too. I seem to remember it being a problem in the mid 70's when Iron Man was team leader (and ironically nobody knew his identity).

[Hizashi]

The only reason there's a Logan/Scott rivalry is because of that stupid love triangle. If not for that, they work considerably well together. I'd argue Logan has a huge amount of respect for Scott. (Traditionally, not as of late with the stupid schism)

Wolverine is a soldier. Scott calls the shots. And they both do their jobs very well and respect each other for it.

Tony and Cap always struck me as much more likely to clash.

I completely agree.

[SuperiorIronman]

Steve/Tony's problems go back decades and even clashing during at least one of the Armor Wars. It makes sense comparing and contrasting the two especially in light of where both of them come from. They work well together but they can definitely clash when it comes to ideological issues.

[SpiderClops]

Which makes more sense? Wolverine/Cyclops. What doesn't make sense however is their apparent friendship. Seriously, Wolverine keeps a flock of hair of Cyclops' dead wife. These two can't be friends. It's stupid. They should hate each other, and I mean seriously hate each other. There should be no effing respect or anything. Especially from Cyclops' side.

Cap/Tony makes less sense(but still enough), but better stories come from that rivalry. And I can see them still being friends and respecting each other.

[Panfoot]

I feel like the Wolverine/Cyclops conflict has the potential for more interesting ideological issues, where as the Iron Man/Captain America ones tend to feel a little more one sided, usually with Tony instigating it. It seems like they more tend to come down to a simple "Tony thinks he's doing the right thing but Steven thinks he's going about it the wrong way", with Steve kind of just being a generic opposite to Tony for the story.

[Tiamatty]

I mean, I'm an X-Men fan, so I'm kinda obligated to say Scott/Logan. Not because of the love triangle, which is something I've always found to be bullshit. (It's a retcon Claremont pushed in because he was throwing a pissy-fit over Jean being brought back and put back with Scott.) No, I think the rivalry works as, basically, an Order vs. Chaos thing. Scott is very controlled, very ordered, leans towards caution. Logan's wild and reckless. They can respect each other. Even like each other. But I think there should always be that tension between them over their differing worldviews.

[Incognito]

I like both feuds of Wolverine/Cyclops and Cap/Iron Man but I'm leading towards Wolverine/Cyclops because they both have opposite personalities, both love Jean Grey which results in a love triangle and different ideas and viewpoints.

[Dethi]

Which makes more sense? Wolverine/Cyclops. What doesn't make sense however is their apparent friendship. Seriously, Wolverine keeps a flock of hair of Cyclops' dead wife. These two can't be friends. It's stupid. They should hate each other, and I mean seriously hate each other. There should be no effing respect or anything. Especially from Cyclops' side.

Cap/Tony makes less sense(but still enough), but better stories come from that rivalry. And I can see them still being friends and respecting each other.

Pretty much this for me too. Especially on the Logan/Cyke friendship during the 90's I could understand their "friendship" but after the death of Jean and all the things who happened after I never understand how they still was friends.

Even if I hate the reason of the beginning of they rivalry which was Logan obsession for Jean and the mutual attraction which was a bad recton because Claremont wasn't happy with the return of Jean and all that happened for Scott and Maddie afterward. And with that one of the worst love triangle in comics history who brought the worst in each part of the triangle rein enforced that rivalry.

For Cap/Iron, yes it make less sense than Logan/Scott and the stories who comes from it are way better.