So What's Next for Tim Drake

**RedBird** · 11-07-2017, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by TheCape

I recently handled Tim's first trade to a person that only knew him for his apperances from 2011 onward and completly dislike him and after reading said trade, he actually was surprisde of how good it was in comparison with everything that he read about him since the reboot, granted is one person, but still think that not all hope is lost.

Honestly Tim needs a solo (not writting by Tynion), when he has the opportunity to be a characther, not a plot device, with the role of generic team leader or THE Hacker, when he has to balanced his normal and superhero life, some updating is needed here and there, but is nothing that any other charachter hadn't gone throught in their long story.

Well that's encouraging

I honestly thought the whole Peter Parker route would have worked best for the character, giving Tim his personal life back and those small moments of relatability watching him balance work and life. But now that kinda depends on what ever the hell is happening with 'The Signal', that comic might just take the concept and run with it instead.

(Not that I dont think both comics could work at the same time, of course they could but.... you know. DC is DC and sharing one space between characters is kind of an alien concept to how they market.)

**TheCape** · 11-07-2017, 08:37 AM

Well that's encouraging

I honestly thought the whole Peter Parker route would have worked best for the character, giving Tim his personal life back and those small moments of relatability watching him balance work and life. But now that kinda depends on what ever the hell is happening with 'The Signal', that comic might just take the concept and run with it instead.

(Not that I dont think both comics could work at the same time, of course they could but.... you know. DC is DC and sharing one space between characters is kind of an alien concept to how they market.)

I completly agreed, even during his Red Robin solo some of that old Dixon magic of his first run with the characther was being putting back in a sort of course correcting way (and exploring some new ground for the characther), sadly the reboot killed the momentum. As for Duke, i would wait and see, but i agreed with you in the general sentiment, i think that Tim has enought fans to hold a solo, but maybe giving him a mini first would help him too, sort of similara of what they did with the 90s.

I think that the biggest problem with Tim is that during the reboot, he was never given any kind of arc or characther exploration beyond his origin, being team leader on TT and Hackerman in Batman books, just has made his seem bland in comparison with the other, as i said i think that Tynion get some of Tim's appeal and put that back in his run, but he isn't handling it in the best way.

**Lady Nightwing** · 11-07-2017, 10:53 AM

I think the first thing Tim needs is a new identity. Red Robin has been treading water for a while. It was great and bombastic when it first debuted but for the last few years it has been associated with a terrible Teen Titans run and small cameos. His costume in Tec is just sad, he looks like a boy who can't move on. He's wearing his old suit with an extra R on it. It's like he's desperately trying to stay relevant in the Batcave or something. Love them or hate them, at least Jason and Dick moved on entirely from Robin, with Red Hood and Nightwing. I think he needs a more independent identity.

I see a lot of calls to restore Tim to his old self, I'd personally love that but technically that would regress the character in some ways. He'd become less intelligent and less competent. Has that ever happened to a character before? Would DC be willing to do,it I mean?

**TheCape** · 11-07-2017, 11:03 AM

I see a lot of calls to restore Tim to his old self, I'd personally love that but technically that would regress the character in some ways. He'd become less intelligent and less competent. Has that ever happened to a character before? Would DC be willing to do,it I mean?

I would prefer if they put him back of how he was rigth before the reboot, regarding his intelligence, i mean, he has been doing this for years, so he isn't exactly an underdog anymore, but i don't want him to be Tony Stark levels of smart, him going to spidermanesque status quo, would be the best for him quite frankly.

**WhipWhirlwind** · 11-07-2017, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Lady Nightwing

I think the first thing Tim needs is a new identity. Red Robin has been treading water for a while. It was great and bombastic when it first debuted but for the last few years it has been associated with a terrible Teen Titans run and small cameos. His costume in Tec is just sad, he looks like a boy who can't move on. He's wearing his old suit with an extra R on it. It's like he's desperately trying to stay relevant in the Batcave or something. Love them or hate them, at least Jason and Dick moved on entirely from Robin, with Red Hood and Nightwing. I think he needs a more independent identity.

I see a lot of calls to restore Tim to his old self, I'd personally love that but technically that would regress the character in some ways. He'd become less intelligent and less competent. Has that ever happened to a character before? Would DC be willing to do,it I mean?

Its a different kind of intelligence, not necessarily an outright downgrade. More figuring out people and cases, less creating Mr. Fantastic style inventions.

**Lady Nightwing** · 11-07-2017, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by WhipWhirlwind

Its a different kind of intelligence, not necessarily an outright downgrade. More figuring out people and cases, less creating Mr. Fantastic style inventions.

I understand. It would be more interesting and engaging but less impressive* than crime stopping wrist computers and self healing buildings. Some fans could see it as a downgrade, DC might get a bit of backlash over it.

*you know how some people live to brag about a characters feats

**WhipWhirlwind** · 11-07-2017, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Lady Nightwing

I understand. It would be more interesting and engaging but less impressive* than crime stopping wrist computers and self healing buildings. Some fans could see it as a downgrade, DC might get a bit of backlash over it.

*you know how some people live to brag about a characters feats

I think thats the kind of nerdrage DC can laugh off in the face of (I would hope) a superior selling book.

And he can still use that kind of stuff. For example, a bat branded App that allows users to report crimes, that then instantly checks the nearest video feed for confirmation that goes directly to the nearest bat associate. Thats a cool tech idea that also appeals to Tim as a detective and as a guy who occasionally goes too far with a good idea.

**the illustrious mr. kenway** · 11-07-2017, 11:41 AM

For a solo him going to college in Ivytown and trying to build a life outside of superheroing would be the way to go for me.

It feels like a step forward and a way to bring new oppurtunities up. He doesn't have to cut ties with the batfamily as he could just visit whenever you need him to and DC continuity isn't that strict anyway. College is more flexible than high school because people do take semesters off or quit/transfer so you could always have him stop if it looses interest.

**josai21** · 11-07-2017, 12:56 PM