"We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another, as if we were one single tribe."
~ Black Panther.
The thing about the Ultimate line eventually falling apart is, DC, and especially Bendis since he was actually there, could potentially use that knowledge to not repeat past mistakes. Again I know i'm talking in ideals here instead of reality, as reality has shown that DC will very much, oftentimes stunningly, repeat past mistakes verbatim. But, yeah, I'm willing to grab hold on anything for support for the idea because I'd really love to see it. Its what in retrospect the New 52 should have been all along and think there's still a market for it.
I still very much tow the idea as well that in lore, you could make some sense as an "Ultimate" line being similar to the New 52 in some aspects by using the renewed Hypertime as an explanation. The explanation would be thusly:
Each universe has a main branch of reality. Hypertime works by the idea that there are offshoot branches of said reality that represent tons of different scenarios. And it just so happens that oftentimes, an offshoot branch of one universe's reality could end up resembling the main branch of another verse. And vice versa. Dr. Manhattan's manipulations on Earth-0 resulted in a branch of that continuity becoming the main reality, which it shouldn't have and was mostly reversed when time was fixed. But what it had created, in the time that it existed, happened to be similar to the main reality of another universe. And its that universe that would be explored in an "Ultimate" line. You can revive it as a new Earth-1. You can actually call it Earth-52 (I know that designation exists now thanks to Metal but I do believe that is a Dark Multiverse designation). You can call it anything you want. DC loves having their cake and eating it too. This would be a way to do that that actually makes sense. Well, comic book sense at least, lol.
But with my luck they'd do something like this and I'd end up hating it, haha.
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"They can be a great people Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you. My only son." - Jor-El
I dont see why a DC Ultimate type line *couldnt* work in theory. Even the Ultimate line itself flourished for years before dying from mismanagement.
I think that's the biggest problem, honestly. The main line can survive low quality runs and poor creative decisions. There's an established fanbase that'll put up with it, or at least return with a change in direction or creators. An imprint however, even a fresh new take on favorite IP's, doesn't have that benefit. It's an alternate reality, so it doesn't "matter" as much as the main line, and if a DC Ultimate book gets into rocky territory, people are more likely to jump ship and not look back. So the threat of failure is a lot worse.
"We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another, as if we were one single tribe."
~ Black Panther.
But Bendis did not create the Ultimate line and except for one book was barely involved in it.
It was more Mark Millar's baby.
"We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another, as if we were one single tribe."
~ Black Panther.
"They can be a great people Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you. My only son." - Jor-El
Marvel never rebooted so an alternate line was a nice change of pace for them. I think the lesson DC learned is to not fully commit. They have enough regular books to publish, ultimate would pull away time and effort, therefore money. So they publish things like Earth One and Being Super.
We don't need another Ultimate Superman. I want a wonderful, best-selling regular Superman run.
I understand the criticism over Bendis but maybe change is good and he will pull out his "Rebirth" with Dc Comics. I can see him as a Superman writer. Just don't try to be edgy with Lois Lane and the rest of the cast. I still prefer Hickman on Superman and Legion.
I love Batman but I hate it when Dc puts an exciting A-List character to Bat books right away. Superman needs an Hip-IV.
I want a wonderful "regular" Superman run too. But I also enjoy options, especially since there's key components to Superman's current status quo that I'm not that big a fan of. I'd take those options in Elseworld tales too but those seem off the table currently as well.
"They can be a great people Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you. My only son." - Jor-El
"We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another, as if we were one single tribe."
~ Black Panther.
I think he'd really excel at writing the Planet staff, especially a really super assertive, b**-busting Lois. Bendis usually revamps things (Disassembled, All-New X-Men) when he comes on board and its too soon to revamp Superman. DC needs this current status quo to settle in longer before blowing it up.
I don't see DC letting anyone retcon Jonathan out. There's too much tied up in the character, especially in other areas such as media and merchandising. DC finally got another Damien, if anything they need to retcon a young daughter for Diana to team-up with the supersons.
Bendis posted a huge stack of very varied DC trades he's reading to bone up. Of course it's not something to take seriously, but of all the trades (hilariously, like half of them written by Johns) he has some solid Superman and Legion stuff in there. The 75 years collection, Golden Age omni,World's Finest by Gibbons and Rude (!), Elseworlds Son of Superman, Great Darkness Saga, The Curse, and the Johns run with Frank.
Its nice to hear that he is capable of writing an awesome Lois Lane. I would always want that. But can't he write within the Reborn framework? I don't want this to go at all. I am in love with Superman, Lois and Jon as a unit. The sum is greater then its parts. The present status quo is the most interesting time for me. Its possible that a wife and mother can be just as awesome. To think otherwise is foolishness. People may say anything but a married Lois has ensured that she plays an important part in the books. There are even a few issues focused on her. Break the marriage and after Bendis leaves or even within his time, her role could become an afterthought. And getting rid of Jon appears to be the dumbest idea. Even Damian has lots of fans who is frankly an annoying character. (I like him though). Given time and proper effort Jon can be a wonderful addition to the mythos just like Supergirl.