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    Quote Originally Posted by CliffHanger2 View Post
    I agree with the last half but I would hope you would have more than Barb's word on that decision.
    considering my own experiences in various workplaces

    the military, retail, call centers, startup company, HVAC, and now a modular building company

    complaints like that aren't being thrown out there for personal vendettas or whatever boogeyman BS insecure men want to come up with

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    Innocent until proven guilty...in a court of law. Stop leaving out the last part, it's very important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheInvisibleMan View Post
    considering my own experiences in various workplaces

    the military, retail, call centers, startup company, HVAC, and now a modular building company

    complaints like that aren't being thrown out there for personal vendettas or whatever boogeyman BS insecure men want to come up with
    Your experience is not everyone's experience. That's important to remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CliffHanger2 View Post
    The push to remove due process has become a lightning rod for some hateful ppl to use to gain a following. At the same time it's another legit concern that liberals seem to be ignoring again.
    There's perhaps some people who are a little dogmatic in their point of view, but I don't think there's an actual push to remove due process. There's no political party or organized activists that people that seriously that are saying due process in the case of sexual harassment shouldn't apply.

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    This entire thread has shown how many apologists there are, if the perpetrators give them what they want.
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    The victim blaming ITT makes me ill
    i'm always online and i'm nice on there

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheInvisibleMan View Post
    due process is for courts

    not for workplaces, private companies, the entertainment industry, your neighborhood

    if I own a business, and Bob slaps Barb on the ass and thinks its funny

    he's fired, end of story
    Seriously...

    Never mind the hypothetical business you own. We are talking about companies that largely make money off of the general public supporting what they do. If it looks like you do not care about half of that general public, you might be making a lot less money in the near future.

    Those companies are going to act accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CliffHanger2 View Post
    Your experience is not everyone's experience. That's important to remember.
    Women's reaction seems to point to that his experience is likely the experience of most folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    Seriously...

    Never mind the hypothetical business you own. We are talking about companies that largely make money off of the general public supporting what they do. If it looks like you do not care about half of that general public, you might be making a lot less money in the near future.

    Those companies are going to act accordingly.
    and people are getting fired

    why do you think most companies (large ones at that) have a ZERO TOLERANCE policy when it comes to things like harassment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed2962 View Post
    There's perhaps some people who are a little dogmatic in their point of view, but I don't think there's an actual push to remove due process. There's no political party or organized activists that people that seriously that are saying due process in the case of sexual harassment shouldn't apply.
    Here's the entire issue with looking at this in terms of "Due Process"...

    That's almost always out the window when you have a contract with an "Ethics" clause in it. It's there strictly so they can fire you for anything in that ballpark, and you signed a contract that agreed to that condition of employment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheInvisibleMan View Post
    and people are getting fired

    why do you think most companies (large ones at that) have a ZERO TOLERANCE policy when it comes to things like harassment?
    That's a non-issue in a lot of what this thread revolves around. We are essentially talking about two different situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    Here's the entire issue with looking at this in terms of "Due Process"...

    That's almost always out the window when you have a contract with an "Ethics" clause in it. It's there strictly so they can fire you for anything in that ballpark, and you signed a contract that agreed to that condition of employment.
    Oh, I get that. My thing is I'm just not convinced of this idea that there's a movement of people out there trying to get men convicted /reputations trashed on the word of some random females alone and there's nothing men can do but quake in fear.


    I work in an office where women outnumber men and while I've tried to keep thing workplace appropriate with them, I'm certainly not worried that because of #Metoo that one lady is going to falsely accuse me because I didn't bring back the stapler. I'm not worried that some woman I spent a drunk night with is going to try and get even with me cuz we had a bad break-up. Or that the woman I had an affair with at my first 9-5 job 20 yrs ago is going to find me and bring up embarrassing facts about me.

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    This is almost like the so-called Ferguson Effect where supposedly cops are afraid to do their jobs cuz they might get filmed and crime is now out of control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed2962 View Post
    Oh, I get that. My thing is I'm just not convinced of this idea that there's a movement of people out there trying to get men convicted /reputations trashed on the word of some random females alone and there's nothing men can do but quake in fear.
    There's no organized movement or grand conspiracy or anything like that. Just occasional individuals exploiting situations for personal reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogersmcfeely View Post
    There's no organized movement or grand conspiracy or anything like that. Just occasional individuals exploiting situations for personal reasons.
    Sure. But that has happened since from the begining of history no matter what the cause.

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