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    Quote Originally Posted by Angilasman View Post
    Tambor and Charlie Rose are the ones that hurt the most for me... still, my feelings of being let down are nothing in the grand scheme of things. What's more important is that, hopefully, we're building a better world where sexual assault/bullying/etc. isn't as widely tolerated as it evidently has been.
    Not sure who Tambor is but Charlie Rose doesn't hurt at all he is a 75 year old guy not in touch with the times. Things change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inisideguy View Post
    And the vast vast majority of the accused are powerful men with lots of money that can be gotten. Always remember that.
    Currently or in general? Cause yeah there is an emphasis on famous people who are accused right now, but that's more because "star actor who everybody knows" makes a bigger headline than random 20-30 something. Like let's say 50 celebrities have been accused thus far, does that even equal 1% of all of the people accused of similar crimes? If you believe the 1 out 5 campus assault statistics, then no it's note even a fraction of percent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    Currently or in general? Cause yeah there is an emphasis on famous people who are accused right now, but that's more because "star actor who everybody knows" makes a bigger headline than random 20-30 something. Like let's say 50 celebrities have been accused thus far, does that even equal 1% of all of the people accused of similar crimes? If you believe the 1 out 5 campus assault statistics, then no it's note even a fraction of percent.

    Its a chicken or the egg thing. Powerful men get a lot of attention. They get passes on many things. Many women throw themselves at them, that then equates to a regular human brain that I can do what I want. Its hard to avoid this. Most of these men live lives that the normal person can't relate to. Someone told me the other day you know the Beatles were literally sexually assaulted by thousands of women. Thousands. Sometimes hundreds in one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inisideguy View Post
    Its a chicken or the egg thing. Powerful men get a lot of attention. They get passes on many things. Many women throw themselves at them, that then equates to a regular human brain that I can do what I want. Its hard to avoid this. Most of these men live lives that the normal person can't relate to. Someone told me the other day you know the Beatles were literally sexually assaulted by thousands of women. Thousands. Sometimes hundreds in one day.
    Man, you know I'm dreading the day I click on the news and find out that Paul or Ringo sexually assaulted somebody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogersmcfeely View Post
    Man, you know I'm dreading the day I click on the news and find out that Paul or Ringo sexually assaulted somebody.
    At this rate you won't have to wait long.

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    Man! When I started this thread, I had no idea it would blow up like it has. If reports were to surface that Fred Rogers was a pervert, then my already tenuous faith in humanity will be officially destroyed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inisideguy View Post
    Not sure who Tambor is but Charlie Rose doesn't hurt at all he is a 75 year old guy not in touch with the times. Things change.
    Jeffrey Tambor - was in Larry Sanders Show, Arrested Development, Transparnet (on Amazon Prime)

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    Man! When I started this thread, I had no idea it would blow up like it has. If reports were to surface that Fred Rogers was a pervert, then my already tenuous faith in humanity will be officially destroyed.
    That would put me into suicide territory. Who would want to live in a world where there are literally no good people?

    People can only take so much bad news, and maintain outrage for so long, before it all starts to dull. We will get to a point where the daily raft of individual accusations just makes people shrug.

    Hopefully, though, the lasting trauma will be enough that famous men will, out of sheer self preservation, think twice and thrice before grabbing that thigh or sending that dick pic.

    The worst outcome would be that a general sense of "if everybody's guilty, then nobody is" sets in.

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    Humans are trash

    there will always be those that take advantage of others because they think the rules don't apply to them

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheInvisibleMan View Post
    Humans are trash

    there will always be those that take advantage of others because they think the rules don't apply to them
    Even worse are the people who blindly supports such cretins, which is how Donald Trump rose to power and became president, and how a known predator like Roy Moore is one step away from Congress. Damned frustrating.
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    In the interest of impartiality, shouldn't there be a thread devoted to anti-gay or family values politicians caught screwing around or being exactly what they condemn? It is just as frequent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    Even worse are the people who blindly supports such cretins, which is how Donald Trump rose to power and became president, and how a known predator like Roy Moore is one step away from Congress. Damned frustrating.
    A bad effect of all this is that Moore's election is now pretty much guaranteed. All those voters who wanted to vote Republican, but didn't think they could vote for Moore can now say, "See, everybody does it... look at Franken and Conyers and all those Democrats."

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    because the larger mindset of those cretins are that assault and harassment only happen to women who are "asking for it"

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    Simplest experiment for men: do an informal poll of every woman you personally know. Family, co-workers, classmates, neighbors, online friends. Ask how many have been sexually harassed/catcalled/belittled in their lives. If you're braver, ask how many experienced sexual assault, getting trapped, or worse yet, rape. The sheer number will be surprising and frightening, and to the point where you feel both angry and sad for just one hand raised, nevermind how many more follow that hand.

    But if that's in your circle, multiply that number of women by the number of men you know in other circles of your life, because we all have our own circles, too. And then imagine the various industries that require placing a great deal of trust and confidentiality in men in power in order to do those jobs. The number then becomes staggering.

    I've seen my mom and my sister harassed right in front of my eyes as a little boy. I've been in the presence of cousins who were catcalled right then and there. My classmates in undergrad always felt hopelessness and despair whenever they were attacked in their dorms and at parties. Some of my best friends currently -- many of whom are in improv and comedy circles -- are relating tons of stories about men in the industry who've assaulted them in one way or another. My very own lonely grandmother was nearly tricked and assaulted by a man 40 years her junior in an effort to try to get her savings.

    That's why this topic is taken so seriously whenever someone speaks up about it. Because it is so goddamn commonplace and doesn't know where to stop. There is no room to start with skepticism from the getgo, to start from a place of disbelieving accusers the instant they open their mouths. Hell, Louis C.K. was one of the biggest male feminists on stage, and he tried to shut it down before he was exposed.

    Quote Originally Posted by rogersmcfeely View Post
    Man, you know I'm dreading the day I click on the news and find out that Paul or Ringo sexually assaulted somebody.
    John Lennon did, repeatedly, and he was pretty shitty to the romantic women in his life, especially the mothers of his children.

    But, statistically speaking, that already covers the Beatles. Which is already a huge proportion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Watkins View Post
    In the interest of impartiality, shouldn't there be a thread devoted to anti-gay or family values politicians caught screwing around or being exactly what they condemn? It is just as frequent.
    Tbh, if Roy Moore can be in this thread, then those politicians can be as well. Al Franken is likely fair game (and has already been brought up) because he started as an entertainer first, and indeed that the first public accusations are based on his time before he entered politics. But if the focus is on Hollywood celebrities and power players (because this is the TV/Film board), such a topic is probably more fitting in the General board.
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    Tambor is an ass. This doesn't surprise me at all. He's been a piece of trash for a long time.

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