Last edited by Dolores - The Worst Poster Ever; 11-10-2017 at 11:01 PM.
Dangerous situation when we decide accusation = guilt.
Many of these accusations, perhaps most of them, may be true. But in most cases there's no way to tell the ones that are from the ones that aren't. If we just assume that everyone being accused is guilty, that opens the door for bad people to take advantage. There's nothing worse than scammers and publicity hounds who hide amongst real victims... but many of these accusations are from 30 years ago or more, and there is no evidence other than someone's say-so.
Not every man in Hollywood can be a rapist.
Yep. At a certain point it can easily turn into a witch hunt, and the more people who are accused, so Too rises the probability that some of these accusations are by opportunists with an agenda.
Obviously there’s a lot of rotten people in Hollywood, and proof is coming out against many of them. A single accusation alone is not proof.
I'm talking about how CK formulated the apology, once the story gained some traction and he couldn't just ignore the charges. My point was about how he got ahead of that story, once his people realized it couldn't be denied anymore, and formulated a better-crafted apology (non-apology) than the ones from Weinstein or Spacey.
I'm not talking about the merit of the accusations and how the accused have behaved in the past. I'm saying that the public is reacting according to how well they think the accused react to the charges--their "apology tour."
I was narrowing my comments just to talk about that aspect of these events. I wasn't trying to get into the deep waters of the actual cases. A story seems to gain traction by how much it's tossed around in social media--and then it's that reaction and response that gains a following rather than the original story. Some people don't even bother to read the original reporting.
It might even be that as more stories emerge, there's a kind of equivocation, as people tune out the specific cases and just react to all of it as a whole. The temptation is just to hand wave and say that all those people are bad. Which might be a PR strategy in itself.
I wouldn't be surprised if Miss Piggy or Kermit the Frog came forward and filed sexual harassment charges against former producers of the Muppet Show.
The difference is that in OJ's case there was a mountain of evidence that was presented to the public. Whereas these all come under a "he said, she said" and it's very easy to say something happened and it's just as easy to say it didn't. And when that is the case, it is slippery slope to auto condemn the accused based off a he said she said. That's why rape and sexual assault has been such a grey area in the court system because it ultimately devolves to each side slandering each other's character and looking for reasons to discredit the other.
Cosby and Weinstein are outliers where you have so many people independently saying the exact same thing that it's hard to envision conspiracy scenario. That said, I'm not so sure if you went through every single accusation against them that they'd all hold up. But in other people in one off instances, again it's a grey area.
And we know that false sexual assault and rape accusations actually happen. So it's difficult in every single instance to take a he said she said and ere on the side of the accused and completely trash someone's career and reputation in the interests of remaining sensitive to a potential victim. Again it's an incredibly difficult area in law.
Depends. It's entirely possible that years later Louis CK changed and when he apologized to them privately it was more authentic than it would have been if he just did it to cover for himself back in the day. I think in that case it depends on the circumstance entirely. Not that it necessarily matters because he's admitting to it so we know he did commit the offenses and he shouldn't be off the hook
I've just become a lot bigger fan of Wonder Woman than I was a few minutes ago.
Gal Gadot will only be ‘Wonder Woman’ again if Brett Ratner is out