The All-Purpose, Hollywood Sexual Accusation Thread

[AndrewCrossett]

I hope that, for someone like Eliza Dushku for example, she did go to the police first regarding her experience as a 12 year old. I guess it's tough for the general public to weed through all of the news to find out who went through the proper channels and who did not.

Eliza's mother says they reported it to the higher-ups on the set, but nothing was done. If they'd gone right to the police in those days, the fact is the studio would have stonewalled to protect their guy... maybe he would have gotten a stern lecture behind closed doors... and Eliza would have been branded a "troublemaker" and quietly blacklisted. She wasn't an established star back then.

That's the story in about 90% of these cases. Anyone who did say "screw my career, it's not worth it" and raised a stink would be branded a disgruntled failed starlet and ridiculed.

[ed2962]

If it's about an individual, sure. But for much of this thread and the overall greater discussion in thr public sphere, it's been about the systemic problems stemming from rape culture in general. As it is, focusing on the idea of "what of we get an innocent man by accident" is essentially using a lopsided hypothetical to curb action on what is undeniable reality for a lot of victims.

People saying that are ignoring the fact that rape is one of the hardest crimes to prosecute and that just because a victim comes forward, folks don't always believe her ( or him). And even when they do, something isn't always done about it. I realize that women do lie sometimes and that false accusations been made before, but the idea that all us poor men have to walk and eggshells because crazy females are going to run around making false accusations for kicks is a little over blown.

[ed2962]

so is society experiencing burn-out on this stuff, yet? It doesn't feel as if anything has changed. Trump's still Teflon. there are still people accused of sexual assault winning awards and playing in the superbowl. I overheard several older women talking about how it's the woman's responsibility to not "dress sexy," this morning. this national conversation seems to have gotten as far as the conversation on race and guns.

Well, the entire culture wasn't going to change in just a few months. If "success" is achieved I think it'll be in the form of certain institutions at least taking victims seriously and not allowing individuals to become serial harassers. There's always going to be creeps but your job/the courts/your church etc shouldn't allow them and make it easy for them to be creeps.

[Vanguard-01]

men are afraid women will laugh at and reject them

women are afraid men will hurt/kill them

women have been killed for telling a man NO

a climate of overreaction is tolerable IMO for the time being

And now men live in fear that a woman will falsely accuse them of a horrible crime and destroy their lives even if they're completely innocent.

What was that about two wrongs, again?

[Carabas]

And now men live in fear that a woman will falsely accuse them of a horrible crime and destroy their lives even if they're completely innocent.

Is this even true? Do men really live in fear?

[numberthirty]

And now men live in fear that a woman will falsely accuse them of a horrible crime and destroy their lives even if they're completely innocent.

What was that about two wrongs, again?

When we have some actual examples of this in this context, let's discuss this.

Otherwise, this feels a lot like "Avoid being serious about tackling an actual problem because a "Maybe" exists."

[Vanguard-01]

When we have some actual examples of this in this context, let's discuss this.

Otherwise, this feels a lot like "Avoid being serious about tackling an actual problem because a "Maybe" exists."

The mere fact that it's suddenly a real possibility is enough to create that sense of dread and make men a lot more reluctant to even approach a woman.

And you can "be serious" about tackling an issue WITHOUT encouraging an attitude that any woman can destroy any man with whom she has a problem by merely making an accusation.

[ed2962]

When we have some actual examples of this in this context, let's discuss this.

Otherwise, this feels a lot like "Avoid being serious about tackling an actual problem because a "Maybe" exists."

Well, someone did bring up the Duke Lacross case and the problematic Rolling Stone story and I'm sure people can bring up all sorts of anecdotal evidence about something that happened to someone they know in family/divorce court. But I don't think that constitutes men living in fear.

[ed2962]

The mere fact that it's suddenly a real possibility is enough to create that sense of dread and make men a lot more reluctant to even approach a woman.

And you can "be serious" about tackling an issue WITHOUT encouraging an attitude that any woman can destroy any man with whom she has a problem by merely making an accusation.

But that's just it...any woman can't destroy any man just by making an accusation. You're assuming women's voices have more power than they actually do.

[Carabas]

The mere fact that it's suddenly a real possibility is enough to create that sense of dread and make men a lot more reluctant to even approach a woman.

Again, is this actually a phenomenon that exists in real-world reality?

[Gryphon]

Nolan Bushnell founder of Atari has been accused of sexual misconduct taking place in the 70's.....but this was a case of accusing on behalf of others and those women have come forward and stated that the accusations are false

[Da Boat]

men are afraid women will laugh at and reject them

women are afraid men will hurt/kill them

women have been killed for telling a man NO

a climate of overreaction is tolerable IMO for the time being

Not if all it does is create more hate and hostility.

[Doctor Know]

Ryan Seacreast has just been cleared of any wrong doing, after a make-up stylist accused him of abuse 10 years ago.

Due process in action. Innocent until proven guilty.

[Gryphon]

Nolan Bushnell founder of Atari has been accused of sexual misconduct taking place in the 70's.....but this was a case of accusing on behalf of others and those women have come forward and stated that the accusations are false

more details here

https://medium.com/@Brad_Glasgow/the...l-2405452b635d

[The Cool Thatguy]

Eliza's mother says they reported it to the higher-ups on the set, but nothing was done. If they'd gone right to the police in those days, the fact is the studio would have stonewalled to protect their guy... maybe he would have gotten a stern lecture behind closed doors... and Eliza would have been branded a "troublemaker" and quietly blacklisted. She wasn't an established star back then.

That's the story in about 90% of these cases. Anyone who did say "screw my career, it's not worth it" and raised a stink would be branded a disgruntled failed starlet and ridiculed.

Ya know, it's occurred to me that the number of women who were sexually harassed in Hollywood is probably staggering if one counts all the women who never made it as big time stars, who never broke through, but were still groped/assaulted/etc.