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    Default Guess who's back

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    Remember that raunchy prostitute Dragon dated early on in the book? Back when things were so much more PG-13? Well, guess who back

    And that, ladies and gentlemen is how you do a cover.

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    Just read issue 230-WOW. I like the direction things are going in being that comics like this are pretty much extinct these days due to the outrage mob. It's been building up to this type of thing little by little but it is a little shocking I'll admit-but hey I'm not complaining. I'll never get why ppl get so triggered over super powers and sexual themes. It's basically built in to the genre.

    i do have a question for Erik though. There reportedly was a dispute between you and the creator of Ant about an Ant comic being to graphic . But you seem to be past that now-so what got you to go over the top? And will Ant be showing anytime soon? That'd be great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CliffHanger2 View Post
    There reportedly was a dispute between you and the creator of Ant about an Ant comic being to graphic . But you seem to be past that now-so what got you to go over the top? And will Ant be showing anytime soon? That'd be great.
    Apples and oranges. I'd actually provided layouts that he was to work from and he went off the rails and did something else entirely.

    Ant will be showing up again at some point--but don't expect her to be running around naked or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik Larsen View Post
    Apples and oranges. I'd actually provided layouts that he was to work from and he went off the rails and did something else entirely.

    Ant will be showing up again at some point--but don't expect her to be running around naked or anything.
    Ok I see. Congrats on the inkwell looking forward to future issues.

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    Is an Ant solo still on the cards or will it be mostly appearances in SD from now on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanMad1977 View Post
    Absolutely.

    I wonder what will happen on Glums planet. The girls looking for a solution to get Dragon back? Thats exciting, even if i dont believe in a return of the old Dragon.
    See now that's what's winding me down more than the sex and nudity. Glum. I find the character childish rather than being engaging as a villain. I am waiting for the day when Erik finally decides to kill off this character or let him fade into obscurity.
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    So Erik should pander to the entitlement crew?

    I can name a lot of books that are good reads but are viewed as PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE because folks take issue with the sex, skin color and sexual identity of the leads. Some for FALSE claims of too much politics in books. Despite the complainers never reading them.

    Those same books like Erik's that are not welcomed at some comic book stores but find audiences elsewhere.


    This was not meant to be a kid's book. NOT at all.

    It shows a character doing what Batman and friends are NOT allowed to do-GROW UP.

    He's not being hailed as the greatest blank at the expense of others like some guy name Hal Jordan nor Mary Sue teammates like Bruce Wayne.

    He's not stuck in man vs monster storylines like a guy named Victor Stone.

    He's a person with a job, family and opinions.
    Cezar is cool, bro. He's not being insulting in his request. He's just saying it turns him off and he wants it gone. Nothing wrong with that.

    As a guy who reads a lot of sex comics, Erik's stuff is tame compared to other stuff that's out there. So in my desensitized mind I'm surprised people are so livid over the sex in his book.

    But maybe Cezar has a good point: an edited version and an unedited version should be put out. Or he could just make some sex comics for perverts like me. I'd add SD sex comics to pull list before the 1st issue came out. Heh heh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark-Flux View Post
    Is an Ant solo still on the cards or will it be mostly appearances in SD from now on?
    I would like to know that, too.

    I would buy Ant as a solo series. I would welcome Erik writing it, and someone else drawing it, so Erik can concentrate on SD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik Larsen View Post
    Apples and oranges. I'd actually provided layouts that he was to work from and he went off the rails and did something else entirely.

    Ant will be showing up again at some point--but don't expect her to be running around naked or anything.
    Dear Mr. Larsen,

    I am another big fan of Savage Dragon who will no longer purchase your comic as long as you are including the kind of graphic sexuality as depicted in #228. I was willing to accept it as a one off experiment on your part, until I read #230 and you had the Dimension X trio running around naked for no storytelling purpose that I can see. And topped off with a full-frontal splash page. Your book used to be about superhero fights and adventure with the occasional naughty bits thrown in; I feel like now it's mostly about the sex with occasional nods to superheroes. The idea that Dragon has always had this stuff is completely disingenuous: you've never drawn this kind of explicit material before.

    It's a shame, because like I said, I really like your superhero stuff and want to support it. I also get the idea that it's your book and you'll do what you want; that's not the issue here. Just because you can do a thing doesn't mean you should, or that it's good for the story. I'm not asking you to pander to my every whim as a reader here; I'm asking you not to put this content in that is utterly repellent and is distracting from the story you want to tell. And at the end of the day, don't you want people to buy your book?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RumpusMagoo View Post
    Dear Mr. Larsen,

    I am another big fan of Savage Dragon who will no longer purchase your comic as long as you are including the kind of graphic sexuality as depicted in #228. I was willing to accept it as a one off experiment on your part, until I read #230 and you had the Dimension X trio running around naked for no storytelling purpose that I can see. And topped off with a full-frontal splash page. Your book used to be about superhero fights and adventure with the occasional naughty bits thrown in; I feel like now it's mostly about the sex with occasional nods to superheroes. The idea that Dragon has always had this stuff is completely disingenuous: you've never drawn this kind of explicit material before.

    It's a shame, because like I said, I really like your superhero stuff and want to support it. I also get the idea that it's your book and you'll do what you want; that's not the issue here. Just because you can do a thing doesn't mean you should, or that it's good for the story. I'm not asking you to pander to my every whim as a reader here; I'm asking you not to put this content in that is utterly repellent and is distracting from the story you want to tell. And at the end of the day, don't you want people to buy your book?
    I don't get it. I suppose you have nothing against extreme violence in comic books? How is gore less repellent than sex?

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    And at the end of the day, don't you want people to buy your book?
    An artist whose creations are dictated by the number of sells is not a happy artist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulie Blade View Post
    I don't get it. I suppose you have nothing against extreme violence in comic books? How is gore less repellent than sex?
    Gore is less repellent than 3 page sequence of a woman being blown across the room by a spray of semen and having male ejaculate drip from her vagina to her mouth...but that's my opinion. If we're going to have a discussion about "sex" in superhero comics, then let's get specific about what we're talking about. This isn't a panel of Dragon and Rapture taking a shower together or two people naked in a bed here. This is hardcore X-rated material. Giving this comic an "M" rating doesn't really cover it, because there doesn't seem to be anything mature or sophisticated about on-panel snowballing.

    BTW, I have limits on gore as well; which is why I don't read Crossed.


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    It indeed is a matter of opinion whether gore or extreme sex is more repellent. To me neither is

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    Artists have to eat too, don't they?
    Perhaps starving artists should consider such foul path of catering to the whims of the audience. Every other should create what the hell they like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulie Blade View Post
    I don't get it. I suppose you have nothing against extreme violence in comic books? How is gore less repellent than sex?
    This. Basically all American media fails that, sadly. It's totally backwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulie Blade View Post
    It indeed is a matter of opinion whether gore or extreme sex is more repellent. To me neither is
    Which is fine Paulie, you're entitled to consume whatever media you want (excluding kiddie porn stuff). I hope I am entitled not to as well. Keep in mind, I'm only saying I can't support this, I'm not saying that nobody else should or that it should be banned.

    [/QUOTE] Perhaps starving artists should consider such foul path of catering to the whims of the audience. Every other should create what the hell they like.[/QUOTE]

    I believe Erik once said that he wouldn't keep making Savage Dragon if it turned out not to be profitable, so there's at least some monetary considerations there. And I'm assuming that he wants people to read his book, which is why he's publishing it through Image, instead of selling comics out of his garage.

    But "catering to the whims of the audience"? Really? If I was demanding that Deadpool and Batman make guest star appearances or Maxine die that would be catering. An observation that a 3 page sex scene in a $3.99 book seems too much for me is an opinion. I mean, obviously CBR believes that somethings are too graphic, or else the would allow people to post scans of the scene and then we can all judge for ourselves, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dishpan View Post
    This. Basically all American media fails that, sadly. It's totally backwards.
    There's some cultural truths in that.

    I've had some time to think of this, and part of the problem is how these things are rated in comics. In movies there's a designation between R and NC 17 or NR. So when I saw the first Deadpool movie, it was violent and had sex stuff, but I didn't expect to see genitals or a full screen money shot (ala porn). But in comics, an M rating appears to cover all bases, from soft core cheesecake, to full frontal nudity and body fluids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RumpusMagoo View Post
    Which is fine Paulie, you're entitled to consume whatever media you want (excluding kiddie porn stuff). I hope I am entitled not to as well. Keep in mind, I'm only saying I can't support this, I'm not saying that nobody else should or that it should be banned.

    I believe Erik once said that he wouldn't keep making Savage Dragon if it turned out not to be profitable, so there's at least some monetary considerations there. And I'm assuming that he wants people to read his book, which is why he's publishing it through Image, instead of selling comics out of his garage.

    But "catering to the whims of the audience"? Really? If I was demanding that Deadpool and Batman make guest star appearances or Maxine die that would be catering. An observation that a 3 page sex scene in a $3.99 book seems too much for me is an opinion. I mean, obviously CBR believes that somethings are too graphic, or else the would allow people to post scans of the scene and then we can all judge for ourselves, right?
    Actually, no one is entitled to consume kiddie porn in the United States. That stuff will get you jailed, put on the sex offender list, and socially ostracized.

    By the way, was it really that scene alone that has gotten everyone riled up? Or do the other sex scenes bother people too?

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