SPOILERS Wonder Woman in Justice League SPOILERS

[Agent 86]

I hope it was okay to start this new thread.

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I just saw Justice League at a preview screening down under.

I was a little disappointed in the showing for the Amazons, but they did get a decent amount of screen time in a present day extended action sequence / scene, so it was good to see them again, especially Queen Hippolyta.

The costumes did seem a little skimpier, even though they’re all apparently dressed for battle in armour because they’re expecting something bad to happen and must defend the Mother Box.

A number of Amazons are slaughtered like cannon fodder and unfortunately Menalippe seems to be a casualty. It’s possible that she survives, but I’m pretty sure she is dead. Hippolyta thankfully survives.

The Amazons are present in the flashback, but it’s a messy, dark scene so there isn’t too much to see. They’re joined by Zeus and I think Ares and Artemis in helping to stop Steppenwolf’s original attack. The Greek gods are all presented as being very big, maybe 9 feet tall or more. So, I’m not sure how Diana was made the old fashioned way! That typed, SW does refer to Diana having the blood of the gods, which indicates a biological connection to Zeus. Or it could just be a product if the fact that she was created by Zeus through other means. He first recognises her as being an Amazon and then determines that she’s a goddess / demigoddess.

Diana has an awesome opening scene where she foils a terrorist attack. She accomplishes a lot in 13 or so seconds and it’s a pretty wonderful scene. There’s also some impressive leaping / levitation involved. Diana also shows herself to be extremely capable, sneaking into the Batcave, detecting “spies”, inspiring others and more than holding her own when battling SW at various points in time. And she’s never shown injured in any way - even her hair always remains perfect.

But, as to be expected, she’s kind of presented as being weaker than Superman. At the same time, during their one on one encounter, it’s highly possible that she’s holding back. And she’s still pretty gosh darn powerful - easily the strongest out,of the remaining members. Diana does play an important role in forming the team, inspiring the team, eventually leading the team and in helping to defeat SW. She uses the sword a lot, but the lasso is also well used. No particularly cool stunts or effects with the lasso though, except for one comedic moment. I guess they’re saving them for the sequel.

Diana’s story is about accepting leadership and embracing being a public superhero. Diana confirms that she never stopped fighting battles when needed, BUT she avoided the spotlight and did NOT want the responsibility of leading a team because she didn’t want to be responsible for the deaths of any others like Steve Trevor. It’s not the best story arc, but it’s decent enough and fits with DoJ and Wonder Woman to the extent possible.

A final scene shows her capturing a gang of museum thieves, including a well dressed woman (maybe a Priscilla Rich version of Cheetah or Catwoman) and happily meeting some children at the museum. It’s clear that she’s now happily a public superhero and to serve as a source of inspiration (as Bruce encourages her to do).

At one point, perhaps in a new scene, she gets a cool addition to her costume, but it appears and disappears for no reason. I wouldn’t mind seeing it return, possibly in another colour though - blue instead of red.

I think Wonder Woman fans will be mostly happy. It’s a team film, so Diana can’t take the spotlight all of the time. And Bruce says some pretty crappy things at one point in his attempts to push Diana to assume a leadership role within the team and to unleash her full powers (or at least he seemed to imply that she was holding back, but they never really picked up on that aspect again). I thought they were toying with a “unleash the god” type power which Diana is reluctant to do out of fear of losing her humanity of hurting others, but it didn’t happen. Maybe it was cut from her storyline? Or maybe I just misinterpreted what Bruce was implying.

I didn’t pick up on any sexual tension between Bruce and Diana. They’re somewhat close, but I didn’t get any romantic vibes. Others may disagree.

All in all, I’m pretty happy. I don’t think they made Diana look bad and, together with the Flash, she was the highlight of the film for me (although I may be bias).

I also thought that Gal Gadot again acquitted herself very well in the role. There was only one line delivery which seemed forced / wooden and which could have perhaps used a second, more subtle version. I certainly don’t think that this film will hurt the popularity of the character.

[BiteTheBullet]

I hope it was okay to start this new thread.

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SPOILERS



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I just saw Justice League at a preview screening down under.

I was a little disappointed in the showing for the Amazons, but they did get a decent amount of screen time in a present day extended action sequence / scene, so it was good to see them again, especially Queen Hippolyta.

The costumes did seem a little skimpier, even though they’re all apparently dressed for battle in armour because they’re expecting something bad to happen and must defend the Mother Box.

A number of Amazons are slaughtered like cannon fodder and unfortunately Menalippe seems to be a casualty. It’s possible that she survives, but I’m pretty sure she is dead. Hippolyta thankfully survives.

The Amazons are present in the flashback, but it’s a messy, dark scene so there isn’t too much to see. They’re joined by Zeus and I think Ares and Artemis in helping to stop Steppenwolf’s original attack. The Greek gods are all presented as being very big, maybe 9 feet tall or more. So, I’m not sure how Diana was made the old fashioned way! That typed, SW does refer to Diana having the blood of the gods, which indicates a biological connection to Zeus. Or it could just be a product if the fact that she was created by Zeus through other means. He first recognises her as being an Amazon and then determines that she’s a goddess / demigoddess.

Diana has an awesome opening scene where she foils a terrorist attack. She accomplishes a lot in 13 or so seconds and it’s a pretty wonderful scene. There’s also some impressive leaping / levitation involved. Diana also shows herself to be extremely capable, sneaking into the Batcave, detecting “spies”, inspiring others and more than holding her own when battling SW at various points in time. And she’s never shown injured in any way - even her hair always remains perfect.

But, as to be expected, she’s kind of presented as being weaker than Superman. At the same time, during their one on one encounter, it’s highly possible that she’s holding back. And she’s still pretty gosh darn powerful - easily the strongest out,of the remaining members. Diana does play an important role in forming the team, inspiring the team, eventually leading the team and in helping to defeat SW. She uses the sword a lot, but the lasso is also well used. No particularly cool stunts or effects with the lasso though, except for one comedic moment. I guess they’re saving them for the sequel.

Diana’s story is about accepting leadership and embracing being a public superhero. Diana confirms that she never stopped fighting battles when needed, BUT she avoided the spotlight and did NOT want the responsibility of leading a team because she didn’t want to be responsible for the deaths of any others like Steve Trevor. It’s not the best story arc, but it’s decent enough and fits with DoJ and Wonder Woman to the extent possible.

A final scene shows her capturing a gang of museum thieves, including a well dressed woman (maybe a Priscilla Rich version of Cheetah or Catwoman) and happily meeting some children at the museum. It’s clear that she’s now happily a public superhero and to serve as a source of inspiration (as Bruce encourages her to do).

At one point, perhaps in a new scene, she gets a cool addition to her costume, but it appears and disappears for no reason. I wouldn’t mind seeing it return, possibly in another colour though - blue instead of red.

I think Wonder Woman fans will be mostly happy. It’s a team film, so Diana can’t take the spotlight all of the time. And Bruce says some pretty crappy things at one point in his attempts to push Diana to assume a leadership role within the team and to unleash her full powers (or at least he seemed to imply that she was holding back, but they never really picked up on that aspect again). I thought they were toying with a “unleash the god” type power which Diana is reluctant to do out of fear of losing her humanity of hurting others, but it didn’t happen. Maybe it was cut from her storyline? Or maybe I just misinterpreted what Bruce was implying.

I didn’t pick up on any sexual tension between Bruce and Diana. They’re somewhat close, but I didn’t get any romantic vibes. Others may disagree.

All in all, I’m pretty happy. I don’t think they made Diana look bad and, together with the Flash, she was the highlight of the film for me (although I may be bias).

I also thought that Gal Gadot again acquitted herself very well in the role. There was only one line delivery which seemed forced / wooden and which could have perhaps used a second, more subtle version. I certainly don’t think that this film will hurt the popularity of the character.

Quick question---Does she actually fly like Cyborg or Superman?

[Agent 86]

Quick question---Does she actually fly like Cyborg or Superman?

No. Definitely not. But, she has a moment where she leaps straight up into the air. It’s not filmed very well, but I’d say she leaps maybe 3 storeys straight up. At other times, it is heavily implied that she’s leaping great distances (i.e. shown at one height and then suddenly shown at a very different height). And she has no trouble “falling” from heights - always landing well as though it was a controlled fall.

But, no flight. Not even levitation / flight like at the end of Wonder Woman. There was an implication from Bruce that she’s not using her full powers, but I may have misinterpreted the dialogue. Maybe he was just referring to her leadership skills and ability to inspire others.

[BiteTheBullet]

No. Definitely not. But, she has a moment where she leaps straight up into the air. It’s not filmed very well, but I’d say she leaps maybe 3 storeys straight up. At other times, it is heavily implied that she’s leaping great distances (i.e. shown at one height and then suddenly shown at a very different height). And she has no trouble “falling” from heights - always landing well as though it was a controlled fall.

But, no flight. Not even levitation / flight like at the end of Wonder Woman. There was an implication from Bruce that she’s not using her full powers, but I may have misinterpreted the dialogue. Maybe he was just referring to her leadership skills and ability to inspire others.

I've also read where Steppenwolf states that she is nowhere near as powerful as the 'kryptonian'. Was this said? And is it still implied that Supes is by far the most powerful Justice Leaguer?

[GodofBoredom]

It's like in the comics, Superman is the most powerful overall, with each having their strengths.

Superman is the strongest and a rival to Flash.
Wonder Woman is the best fighter and a leader in battle.
Batman is the best tactician and strength/weakness analyser.

What is it with all the discussions relating to how strong Wonder Woman is compared to Superman on this forum? He's the physically most impressive being, and that's his entire point since the conception.

If she's as strong/fast as him and the best fighter and also armed with unbreakable bracelets and magical lasso and unstoppable sword, what's the point? Might as well also give her a GL ring and utility belt.

[enish]

It's like in the comics, Superman is the most powerful overall, with each having their strengths.

Superman is the strongest and a rival to Flash.
Wonder Woman is the best fighter and a leader in battle.
Batman is the best tactician and strength/weakness analyser.

What is it with all the discussions relating to how strong Wonder Woman is compared to Superman on this forum? He's the physically most impressive being, and that's his entire point since the conception.

If she's as strong/fast as him and the best fighter and also armed with unbreakable bracelets and magical lasso and unstoppable sword, what's the point? Might as well also give her a GL ring and utility belt.

Ahah so if I follow your logic, what’s the point of having the justice league at all when you have Superman who is the best at everything?

Wonder Woman too was conceived to be the top dog, an alternative to Superman, just as powerful, just as strong, just as fast. What’s wrong with having her to be equally powerful as Superman?

If that proves to be true, that will be a downer for me. And it would be stupid too after BvS and the WW solo movie.
Wonder Woman can handle the god of war but cannot handle Superman? Come on!

She was shown handling Doomsday even better than Superman could. And now she can’t defeat SW because Superman has to shine?

What a huge bummer for me.

[Natamaxxx]

It's like in the comics, Superman is the most powerful overall, with each having their strengths.

Superman is the strongest and a rival to Flash.
Wonder Woman is the best fighter and a leader in battle.
Batman is the best tactician and strength/weakness analyser.

What is it with all the discussions relating to how strong Wonder Woman is compared to Superman on this forum? He's the physically most impressive being, and that's his entire point since the conception.

If she's as strong/fast as him and the best fighter and also armed with unbreakable bracelets and magical lasso and unstoppable sword, what's the point? Might as well also give her a GL ring and utility belt.

Well, it's a nice change of pace from endlessly discussing her origin. See: every other thread on this forum.

[Agent 86]

I've also read where Steppenwolf states that she is nowhere near as powerful as the 'kryptonian'. Was this said? And is it still implied that Supes is by far the most powerful Justice Leaguer?

I don’t remember SW saying that. Superman is definitely presented as the most powerful member. But, Diana is a close second. And then Aquaman is a distant third.

[dianafan1985]

I hope it was okay to start this new thread.

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SPOILERS



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I just saw Justice League at a preview screening down under.

I was a little disappointed in the showing for the Amazons, but they did get a decent amount of screen time in a present day extended action sequence / scene, so it was good to see them again, especially Queen Hippolyta.

The costumes did seem a little skimpier, even though they’re all apparently dressed for battle in armour because they’re expecting something bad to happen and must defend the Mother Box.

A number of Amazons are slaughtered like cannon fodder and unfortunately Menalippe seems to be a casualty. It’s possible that she survives, but I’m pretty sure she is dead. Hippolyta thankfully survives.

The Amazons are present in the flashback, but it’s a messy, dark scene so there isn’t too much to see. They’re joined by Zeus and I think Ares and Artemis in helping to stop Steppenwolf’s original attack. The Greek gods are all presented as being very big, maybe 9 feet tall or more. So, I’m not sure how Diana was made the old fashioned way! That typed, SW does refer to Diana having the blood of the gods, which indicates a biological connection to Zeus. Or it could just be a product if the fact that she was created by Zeus through other means. He first recognises her as being an Amazon and then determines that she’s a goddess / demigoddess.

Diana has an awesome opening scene where she foils a terrorist attack. She accomplishes a lot in 13 or so seconds and it’s a pretty wonderful scene. There’s also some impressive leaping / levitation involved. Diana also shows herself to be extremely capable, sneaking into the Batcave, detecting “spies”, inspiring others and more than holding her own when battling SW at various points in time. And she’s never shown injured in any way - even her hair always remains perfect.

But, as to be expected, she’s kind of presented as being weaker than Superman. At the same time, during their one on one encounter, it’s highly possible that she’s holding back. And she’s still pretty gosh darn powerful - easily the strongest out,of the remaining members. Diana does play an important role in forming the team, inspiring the team, eventually leading the team and in helping to defeat SW. She uses the sword a lot, but the lasso is also well used. No particularly cool stunts or effects with the lasso though, except for one comedic moment. I guess they’re saving them for the sequel.

Diana’s story is about accepting leadership and embracing being a public superhero. Diana confirms that she never stopped fighting battles when needed, BUT she avoided the spotlight and did NOT want the responsibility of leading a team because she didn’t want to be responsible for the deaths of any others like Steve Trevor. It’s not the best story arc, but it’s decent enough and fits with DoJ and Wonder Woman to the extent possible.

A final scene shows her capturing a gang of museum thieves, including a well dressed woman (maybe a Priscilla Rich version of Cheetah or Catwoman) and happily meeting some children at the museum. It’s clear that she’s now happily a public superhero and to serve as a source of inspiration (as Bruce encourages her to do).

At one point, perhaps in a new scene, she gets a cool addition to her costume, but it appears and disappears for no reason. I wouldn’t mind seeing it return, possibly in another colour though - blue instead of red.

I think Wonder Woman fans will be mostly happy. It’s a team film, so Diana can’t take the spotlight all of the time. And Bruce says some pretty crappy things at one point in his attempts to push Diana to assume a leadership role within the team and to unleash her full powers (or at least he seemed to imply that she was holding back, but they never really picked up on that aspect again). I thought they were toying with a “unleash the god” type power which Diana is reluctant to do out of fear of losing her humanity of hurting others, but it didn’t happen. Maybe it was cut from her storyline? Or maybe I just misinterpreted what Bruce was implying.

I didn’t pick up on any sexual tension between Bruce and Diana. They’re somewhat close, but I didn’t get any romantic vibes. Others may disagree.

All in all, I’m pretty happy. I don’t think they made Diana look bad and, together with the Flash, she was the highlight of the film for me (although I may be bias).

I also thought that Gal Gadot again acquitted herself very well in the role. There was only one line delivery which seemed forced / wooden and which could have perhaps used a second, more subtle version. I certainly don’t think that this film will hurt the popularity of the character.

Wow, disappointing but highly unsurprising. She can hold her own with doomsday but gets flattened by Superman.

[Vanguard-01]

Wow, disappointing but highly unsurprising. She can hold her own with doomsday but gets flattened by Superman.

Aaaaand.....the fact that she was definitely going all-out on Doomsday and almost certainly holding back against Superman doesn't factor into this equation at all?

If Diana does get beaten by Supes, it can easily be chalked up to attitude. Just ask Superman: if the other guy's bringing his "A" game, and you're forced to only bring your "B" or "C" game, that's usually a recipe for you losing. Badly.

[dianafan1985]

Oh God, and here comes all the ridiculous illogical excuses for why Wonder Woman was nerfed. If Superman is the best at everything: strongest, handsomest, most ominpotent being in the universe then why does he need a league? The whole point of the movie, according to some, makes no sense. One has to wonder what was the whole point of the DCEU trying to establish her as a goddess, if she is in the same category as characters such as the cyborg.

[Agniwolf]

Oh God, and here comes all the ridiculous illogical excuses for why Wonder Woman was nerfed. If Superman is the best at everything: strongest, handsomest, most ominpotent being in the universe then why does he need a league? The whole point of the movie, according to some, makes no sense. One has to wonder what was the whole point of the DCEU trying to establish her as a goddess, if she is in the same category as characters such as the cyborg.

want the truth? superman gets nerfed for the sake of having the league and even if he is not nerfed he needs the league for the sake of being at multiple places at the same time, it is like redundancies of energy cables in a city, so if one fails the city still has energy through alternate routes

[dianafan1985]

want the truth? superman gets nerfed for the sake of having the league and even if he is not nerfed he needs the league for the sake of being at multiple places at the same time, it is like redundancies of energy cables in a city, so if one fails the city still has energy through alternate routes

The league was never designed to be his back-up group while he sings lead. Unfortunately, not everyone (for e.g myself) is a fan of Superman; I am actually not seeing the movie to see him make paste out of everybody (especially when he shouldn't). Aquaman and Wonder Woman alone should be able to mince him up into tiny pieces. What about Shazam's eventual membership? Would he also be a pip sharing the stage with Gladys Knight? The Justice League is about a team of powerful and skillful creatures (including Batman). If Superman is the fastest, strongest, most skillful, he doesn't need to have a league, what he needs is a fan club.

No wonder Marvel is awesome in comparison to this crap.

LOL, and I have already bought the ticket... de-ja-vu... you would think my expectations of these films would be lowered by now.

[Vanguard-01]

The league was never designed to be his back-up group while he sings lead. FYI, not everyone (like myself) is a fan of Superman; I am actually not seeing the movie to see him make paste out of everybody (especially when he shouldn't). Aquaman and Wonder Woman alone should be able to mince him up into tiny pieces. What about Shazam? Is he also a pip? The Justice League is about a team of powerful and skillful creatures (including Batman). If Superman is the fastest, strongest, most skillful, he doesn't need to have a league, what he needs is a fan club.

No wonder Marvel is awesome in comparison to this crap.

LOL, and I have already bought the ticket... de-ja-vu... you would think my expectations of these films would be lowered by now.

Why the HECK would Diana and Arthur mince Superman up into tiny pieces? They're heroes, remember? They don't kill fellow heroes just because he lashed out at them in confusion, or whatever the circumstances behind this fight happen to be. It's called "holding back." And if the other guy isn't holding back, that tends to go badly for you.

Shazam? We'll have to see how he does. Historically, he's been on Superman's level.

And Superman has NEVER been portrayed as the most skillful member of the League, so I don't know where you're getting that.

Context matters here. If Superman beats the entire League, it's almost certainly because he was playing for keeps and they weren't. If he beats Steppenwolf with absolutely zero assistance from the rest of the League? That'll be a problem, but there's no evidence yet that that is the case.

EVERY comic character gets "nerfed" for the purpose of story. Superman is like the KING of plot-related nerfing, in fact. If Diana has one moment of not looking like the most awesome character in the movie, that's hardly an insult to her. It's just the way comics stories go.

[BiteTheBullet]

want the truth? superman gets nerfed for the sake of having the league and even if he is not nerfed he needs the league for the sake of being at multiple places at the same time, it is like redundancies of energy cables in a city, so if one fails the city still has energy through alternate routes

Besides Kryptonite, which is just a plot device to give Superman a weakness whenever it is convenient, tell me how Superman is in any way nerfed in the DCEU?