Though much is taken, much abides; and though
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are,
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
--Lord Alfred Tennyson--
Does anything specifically refute it? No? Then it's a valid explanation.
Nope. We've never seen that wave do anything other than knock people back. It didn't do serious harm to Doomsday? It wouldn't do serious harm to Superman. She was preparing to knock him away from her in self defense. She still wasn't trying to beat him down and prove to all the world that she was stronger than him, or whatever you seem to think should've been the purpose of that scene.
Though much is taken, much abides; and though
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are,
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
--Lord Alfred Tennyson--
And Superman is supposed to be vulnerable to magic right?
How the heck was he able to hold his own against the power of the lasso?
I fee like this movie serves as an excuse to discredit the whole members of the league in favor of Superma.
Look, we have super powered people, but they are not powerful enough. Only Superman can save us all! We have to bring him in! And as soon as he arrives, then it's all over for the big bad. Superman saved the day while all the others struggled.
Though much is taken, much abides; and though
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are,
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
--Lord Alfred Tennyson--
Firstly, Xena: Warrior Princess is awesome. Let's just all agree to love Xena AND Wonder Woman (and Supergirl) without constantly pitting them against one another.
Secondly, Diana does not get trounced by SW (or anyone else, including Superman).
I don't think the action scenes were great for ANY of the characters. They were more clearly shot and easier to follow than the mess in DoJ, but unfortunately no-one really gets to highlight their special, unique skills. It was all quite ... formulaic for me when it came to the action. I definitely hope that they convey Diana's superior combat skills in future films. I especially want to see more unique, interesting and dynamic uses of the lasso which unfortunately wasn't used as well in Justice League as it was in Diana's solo film.
In most universes? Yes. In the DCEU? Hasn't been established yet. And frankly, that's one of his dumbest weaknesses, so I have no problem if they leave that one alone.
Who's to say he did? Does the DCEU Lasso paralyze people or something? Hasn't been established. At that moment, it was just a rope around one of his arms.How the heck was he able to hold his own against the power of the lasso?
The Lasso may very well have shown him the truth. Doesn't mean he instantly accepts it. Guy just came back from the dead! Stands to reason he'd be a little out of it, ya know?
Nope. This was just his movie in which to shine. Just like there are entire Justice League stories out there in which he was fundamentally useless and another Leaguer was far more important.I fee like this movie serves as an excuse to discredit the whole members of the league in favor of Superma.
You don't build a franchise by taking a big, steaming dump on every other character within it.
He's the most powerful hero of them all. He earned that title across decades of stories. He's also a symbol of hope and the whole point was that the world needed that hope. Of course they made sure his return reflected that point.Look, we have super powered people, but they are not powerful enough. Only Superman can save us all! We have to bring him in! And as soon as he arrives, then it's all over for the big bad. Superman saved the day while all the others struggled.
Though much is taken, much abides; and though
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are,
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
--Lord Alfred Tennyson--
Diana is a trained warrior... Period. She saw after he casually threw everyone around and the lasso didn't work, don't get me started on that, she should have been fighting to put him down. She knows better than everyone when it is the time to do that. Again I don't have a problem with him beating her, I have a problem with how they showed this ageless warrior fighting. She was not fighting smart. Hell Doomsday knocked her city blocks and she was right back up. Why did she not use those legs that can put her blocks in the air.
Richard Alexander
Was Diana as efficient as Superman against SW? NO.
Was Diana able to land blows on SW the way Superman did? NO
Was Diana able to avoid SW blows the way Superman did? NO.
She was able to cut him just once, and to bounce him off with her power wave move after Aquaman threw him with his weapon. But she did not stand out as being particularly efficient against him. I would have expected more since SW seemed to care about her having the blood of the old gods in her, I thought maybe she would be instrumental to his defeat given her nature. But no. There's no follow up to that. It's all about SUPERMAN.
I'm done with the DCEU for now, until Wonder Woman II comes out. But I doubt there'll be any improvement in the power department since the movies is supposedly set in the 80's.
100 years in the world of man, and she is not even as skilled as Faora against Kal-El. What a bummer.
"Putting him down" does not teach him to trust her. Also? A full-blown conflict between them? You DO see they're in the middle of Metropolis, right? Do we REALLY want a recap of MOS? Diana decided to err on the side of caution in order to de-escalate the situation before it spirals out of control.
Though much is taken, much abides; and though
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are,
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
--Lord Alfred Tennyson--
I think everyone is going to have a different opinion on this, but that's just the way most team-ups work. Heck, Scarlett Witch should have been able to trounce everyone in Civil War, including Vision, but we got a long fight scene instead. Every time superheroes team up, some are weakened and some are strengthened to serve the needs of the plot.
I wouldn't say that Superman could do everything to save the day. They needed Cyborg for ... Cyborg technological reasons. They needed at least Wonder Woman to keep Steppenwolf busy / distracted long enough for Cyborg to do this thing and then for Superman to pull the three Mother Boxes apart. IF Wonder Woman hadn't been there, then Superman would have been battling SW and no one would have been around to help Cyborg. If Cyborg wasn't there, then Superman theoretically wouldn't have known what to do, other than hitting, heat visioning or freezing the Mother Boxes (which would only have worked if the script said it did).
I think there are some positives in her portrayal - no matter who she was battling, Wonder Woman never tired, never got injured (e.g. bruised or bloody) and never gave up. Diana is apparently incredibly durable. Maybe she doesn't have Superman's brute strength, but she's gosh darn durable and that, combined with her combat skill set, serves her well. Maybe Superman could finish a fight faster, but I think Wonder Woman would still get the job done - it may just take a little longer.
I think, at a certain point, everyone needs to try to focus on the positives instead of all of the negatives. I can't believe that Cyborg fans are particularly happy with his showing in this film - he barely got to do anything physical. The Flash was shown to be quite the buffoon and a complete beginner (which I personally liked, but Flash fans may be furious about). I thought Aquaman's scenes were quite dull and he's basically just a "strong man" since they were fighting SW on land and Aquaman couldn't do any cool water / fish related stuff. Even Batman's detective skills have to take the back seat to Cyborg being given the opportunity to find SW. And Cyborg can apparently pilot all of Batman's toys better than Batman, even though they were designed and built by Batman.
Everyone has their weaknesses, even Superman who first returns in a funk (even if he smells good after being in a coffin for many months). And it seemed to me that they were clearly working on "damage control" with Superman - trying to make him the hero he should have always been right from the opening scene where he's being interviewed by the children. They'd already had the chance to allow Diana her time to shine in a solo movie, so it's somewhat understandable that they wanted to try to "fix" Superman's portrayal (although how they're ever going to justify his return as Clark Kent or even a secret identity at all after battling the JL in public and Lois yelling out "Clark" is unclear).
Wait? She CUT HIM? She inflicted actual damage on him and you're STILL saying she was nothing against him?
And you're basing that final paragraph off of one skirmish in which Diana refused to go all-out against a confused man in the middle of a highly populated city? Faora didn't CARE if she leveled Smallville by beating up Superman. Diana did. If you expected Diana to act like Faora, then you want a complete sociopath for Wonder Woman.
Though much is taken, much abides; and though
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are,
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
--Lord Alfred Tennyson--