Horrible crimes that have been forgotten

[lurkerforyears]

by the late 80s Dr Lykos/Sauron had reformed completely becoming a good man, he was always in his human shape working as a doctor living with his wife. he was like a dr jekyll mr hyde who with treatment managed to be always on his good personality.

The Toad and Blob kidnap Lykos and his wife, put them in a machine, and make the machine drain the life energy of Lykos wife (killing her), to turn Lykos into Sauron again (who has his own evil personality different from Lykos), because they wanted Sauron in their new brotherhood of evil mutants.

Decades later (although in Marvel comic time it must be like 6 or 7 years) Aaron makes Toad the janitor of the school, and Sauron is an evil professor of the Hellfire Club for little kids and, says he has eaten all his kids (that is impossible according to continuity, I prefer to see it as a joke).

Other examples would be that Mystique has been on an off the X-Men for a long time, even though she is the murderer of Moira, and responsible for the murder of Sunpyre too.

As an Emma fan, I think she should be responsible for the Inhumans she killed in IvX (nobody knows how many, she destroyed 3 Zeppelins with Sentinels, in ww2 the crew size of Zeppelins ranged in the 12-19 number so she probably killed around 50 people). But I think Marvel will ignore it and hope we just forget as time passes.
Magneto probably killed dozens of thousands of people when he attacked earth with an electromagnetic pulse from New Avalon in the 90s for example.

How would you feel if Banshee is brought back, he is still a bit edgy from the Apocalypse death seed, and he kills Mystique for having killed Moira?

[bearman]

It’s long overdue for Banshee to take Mystique out.
And Dazzler will want a piece of her, too.

[Michael Watkins]

personally, I wouldn't trust Mortimer anywhere around kids.

[Maestroneto]

Iceman froze Manhattan and killed people.

[ButterRum]

"Magneto" sent humans to crematoriums in Morrison's New X-Men.

[Kusanagi]

Sabretooth deserves to be an X-Man cause Magic!!1!11

I mean he totally feels guilty now, not guilty enough to pay for his crimes, but all the people he killed sometimes make him feel bad now. Not all the time, but sometimes.

[Silver Fang]

Sabretooth deserves to be an X-Man cause Magic!!1!11

I mean he totally feels guilty now, not guilty enough to pay for his crimes, but all the people he killed sometimes make him feel bad now. Not all the time, but sometimes.

Angelus of Buffy has murdered, tortured, and raped numerous people for 200 years. But getting a soul got him off the hook, in addition to a relationship with Buffy. He's who Creed was modeled after -according to Remember.

Deadpool is a bigger offense. He's murdered just as many people for trivial reasons, gets pleasure from killing / violence. Even his own editor calls him a terrible person. Yet he got to be an Avenger, had Siryn & Rogue falling for him, and became a celebrity. Plus, it seems he only wants to be a hero to "fit in with the cool kids" and get validation, rather than because he's repentant. Spider-Man said it best. He doesn't wanna be a hero, he just wants the validation & attention that comes with being seen as one. Yet he's still a celeb, and repeatedly forgiven for his crap. Hell, the Inversion made him good! Lol

Isn't Daken also a huge piece of dog crap that everyone loves?

Deadpool & Daken seem to be the ones who get sanitized -despite lack of remorse for anything. Sabretooth was never accepted as a hero. He got kicked off the Avengers, and said Magneto (also a bad guy) was the only one who'd have him. He & Monet seemed to be into each other. But ResurrXion broke-off or OMD'd that relationship. So he didn't get anything there either. lol

[Vegan Daddy]

"Magneto" sent humans to crematoriums in Morrison's New X-Men.

Those flatscans got what was coming to them.

[Darth Phoenix]

It’s long overdue for Banshee to take Mystique out.
And Dazzler will want a piece of her, too.

Put Carol Danvers on that kill team for old times sake

[CoCoBandz]

Those flatscans got what was coming to them.

The only good flatscan is a dead flatscan.

[Kusanagi]

Angelus of Buffy has murdered, tortured, and raped numerous people for 200 years. But getting a soul got him off the hook, in addition to a relationship with Buffy. He's who Creed was modeled after -according to Remember.

Deadpool is a bigger offense. He's murdered just as many people for trivial reasons, gets pleasure from killing / violence. Even his own editor calls him a terrible person. Yet he got to be an Avenger, had Siryn & Rogue falling for him, and became a celebrity. Plus, it seems he only wants to be a hero to "fit in with the cool kids" and get validation, rather than because he's repentant. Spider-Man said it best. He doesn't wanna be a hero, he just wants the validation & attention that comes with being seen as one. Yet he's still a celeb, and repeatedly forgiven for his crap. Hell, the Inversion made him good! Lol

Isn't Daken also a huge piece of dog crap that everyone loves?

Deadpool & Daken seem to be the ones who get sanitized -despite lack of remorse for anything. Sabretooth was never accepted as a hero. He got kicked off the Avengers, and said Magneto (also a bad guy) was the only one who'd have him. He & Monet seemed to be into each other. But ResurrXion broke-off or OMD'd that relationship. So he didn't get anything there either. lol

First you are 100% right that Deadpool and Daken are guilty as well.

However I single out Sabretooth because Magic made him good, is imho such a cheap way to turn him into something palatable. Deadpool is absolutely a terrible person, but he at least tried to be better of his own free will. Whether this is because he just wants to be cool, or actually wants to be a hero varies, mostly because Wade is an idiot who makes terrible life choices, and also because it depends on the circumstances. The same Wade that relentlessly pimps merchandise is the same guy using that money to fund the Avengers.

Back on the Sabretooth/Angelus comparison I feel it falls flat. At least with Angelus, he could say without a soul he was utterly incapable with knowing right from wrong. Sabretooth was just a sadistic bastard, again, of his free will and showed no signs of ever wanting to change until he got magic'd.

[cc008]

First you are 100% right that Deadpool and Daken are guilty as well.

However I single out Sabretooth because Magic made him good, is imho such a cheap way to turn him into something palatable. Deadpool is absolutely a terrible person, but he at least tried to be better of his own free will. Whether this is because he just wants to be cool, or actually wants to be a hero varies, mostly because Wade is an idiot who makes terrible life choices, and also because it depends on the circumstances. The same Wade that relentlessly pimps merchandise is the same guy using that money to fund the Avengers.

This probably shouldn't have made me laugh, but it really did.

But I totally agree. Wade made an effort on his own. Sabretooth did hasn't. Or didn't.

[lurkerforyears]

if they wanted an heroic Sabretooth the best thing would have been using Age of Apocalypse Sabretooth

[ExodusCloak]

Xavier trying to rape Dani and Kitty and blowing up planets inhabitated by billions in X-Men and the micronauts

Beasts multiple genocides

[Silver Fang]

First you are 100% right that Deadpool and Daken are guilty as well.

However I single out Sabretooth because Magic made him good, is imho such a cheap way to turn him into something palatable. Deadpool is absolutely a terrible person, but he at least tried to be better of his own free will. Whether this is because he just wants to be cool, or actually wants to be a hero varies, mostly because Wade is an idiot who makes terrible life choices, and also because it depends on the circumstances. The same Wade that relentlessly pimps merchandise is the same guy using that money to fund the Avengers.

Back on the Sabretooth/Angelus comparison I feel it falls flat. At least with Angelus, he could say without a soul he was utterly incapable with knowing right from wrong. Sabretooth was just a sadistic bastard, again, of his free will and showed no signs of ever wanting to change until he got magic'd.

Well can be said Sabretooth's childhood of being treated as an abused animal played a part in making him a bastard. Not to say that excuses him, or makes him right. So no, he's not a good person. But unlike Wade, for example, he had a screwed up childhood of being abused by his father, and seeing his mother murdered in front of him by said father while his father was trying to kill him. Before the retcons, in Origins & Origin II. lol

Even Sabretooth showed some good sides before his inversion.

1. He loved his mother. Before the last 2 retcons, which I don't count as canon. Mystique took the form of his mother to freak him out, because she knew it would upset him.


2. Next, we have Graydon. Creed wasn’t crazy about him, but did accept him as a son when he sees Graydon inherited his vindictiveness. Graydon killed Birdy just to spite him and Creed knew that as something he’d do to an enemy. He sarcastically calls Graydon his “darlin baby boy”, and spares his life.

Graydon was born to Sabretooth & Mystique. Yet it was the former he got a sliver of respect, and mercy from. .

In the 90's Daredevil, there was the girl he took as a mate. She says Creed barely touched her, and was very kind + gentle to her the whole time.

She says she felt more sorry for him than scared, because he seemed confused.

3. There was his relationship with Bonnie in Overdrive. Sabretooth spends that entire story trying to save her. They spent a night together, and both agreed the night meant something. And he seemed to actually be friends with Ruth -the brothel owner.

4. In the Red Zone, he takes a hostage while escaping from the X-Men. Then after he made it to the train, he let the hostage go.

Creed has been written as having some humanity underneath the layers of horrible bastard. lol The Inversion just made it more clear. If Sabretooth was nothing but evil, there'd have been no good to swap or bring out. People think the inversion put good in him that wasn't there before. Inverting is taking what's already there, and rearranging it. So, Sabretooth had some good in him. However little, but probably did need a nudge to bring it out fully.

Like Mystique, Deadpool, and Daken, Sabretooth is a high-level sociopath. He does evil & disgusting things, but showed slivers of humanity -like these others did. Pre-Inversion.

The Angel comparison still works. because regardless of the circumstances, Angel was still a former murderer, and rapist. And no good is gonna fix the lives his ruined. And the reason he was no longer evil & able to atone for his sins was due to the magic giving him the chance. But does not reverse any of his atrocities.

Wasn't the only reason Rogue started to reform because she kissed someone and absorbed their goodness, then decided it felt nice. lol