Justice league box office: What went wrong

[Da Boat]

Wind the clock back to 2013 and you know what you get?

G.I. Joe Retaliation: Cobra nukes London with their Zeus cannon. Cracking the mantle and submerging the city.
No one bats an eyelash and nobody cares.

Iron Man 3: Tony Stark kills 2 dozen or so Extremis soldiers. The most brutal of which, was on the plane. When he fired the Unibeam through the guy's chest. Then followed up with "walk away from that, you son of a bitch".
Again, nobody cares and there was no moral or ethical debate about Tony's heroism or character.

Star Trek Into Darkness: Khan flies the USS Vengeance into San Francisco city. People were so quick to lob 9/11 imagery at MOS, and castigate it for glossing over the fallout by the film's end. Star Trek does the same thing, if not worse than MOS and nobody bats an eyelash. Think back to the actual "controversy" of STID. It was complaints of Alice Eve in her bra and panties being in both the trailer and in the movie. It should be noted, that one of the writers of STID (Orci) is a 9/11 truther. And the film is not subtle about American policies in the war against terrorism. Also, for the second time this year, London was the site of a terrorist attack.


Olympus Has Fallen and White House Down: The same movie made by different studios. Both involving terrorists trying to blow up the White House and destroy DC. Murder, mayhem and destruction porn. Released in a year that was filled with such content. It wasn't a big deal for these two films, I guess.

Pacific Rim: Giant robots and giant monsters throw down in unevacuated cities across the planet. In the movie, Hong Kong is where most of the action takes place. People dying, peoples toppling over, heroes and bad guys crashing through buildings without a care, and once again, no one made what happened in Pacific Rim an issue. Oddly enough, PacRim is a WB film and was release months after MOS.

Thor The Dark World: For the 3rd time in that year, London was the victim of a group of villains. Thor and Malekith trade blows across London, while Malekith's ship, dark elves and creatures from Johtunheim rampage in other parts of the city. I'd like to say the casualties for London were light, but considering how Asgard was ravaged by the dark elves earlier in the film, I have my doubts.


This is one of the reasons why there is push back from MOS defenders about the quality and content in the film. I isolated the big action movies of 2013 to showcase that in one year, there were worse offenders in some regards. And some IPs coming close but not to MOS levels. A good question to ask is, with the facts being what they are (see above list), why was MOS the ONLY film singled out that year?

All of this happened yet none of these films were as joyless as MoS. It's all in the execution. Hell B v S had far less destruction than MoS yet it was also less hopefull or bright than these movies.

After MoS and B v S do you know what other film made me feel this way? Fan4stic.

After throwing him off a roof.
Batman letting a villain go splat on the sidewalk, would be WAY too much for audiences.

The funny thing about TDK trilogy, is that Batman says in every film he doesn't kill people. But in every film he commits a homicide. As it stands now, the only films Batman hasn't killed anyone in are Batman and Robin and Justice League. Hahaha

If someone is killed in the heat of battle, it's one thing. I view heroes like cops. Batman jumped off the train while Ras didn't have that chance. Same thing with Harvey Dent which Batman failed to save. Joker fell and he save him. Superman broke someone's neck at the end of the movie, that's the image you want to send to the World, that is what Superman does?

[Agent Z]

All of this happened yet none of these films were as joyless as MoS. It's all in the execution. Hell B v S had far less destruction than MoS yet it was also less hopefull or bright than these movies.

After MoS and B v S do you know what other film made me feel this way? Fan4stic.




If someone is killed in the heat of battle, it's one thing. I view heroes like cops. Batman jumped off the train while Ras didn't have that chance. Same thing with Harvey Dent which Batman failed to save. Joker fell and he save him. Superman broke someone's neck at the end of the movie, that's the image you want to send to the World, that is what Superman does?

So you view heroes like cops yet the idea of Superman killing a villain to stop him causing further death and destruction is a problem for you, why? I mean, the way you phrased he just killed Zod for no reason yet anyone who watches the film can see that wasn't the case.

As for being joyless, that seems to be thrown at anything where the characters don't act like Looney Tubes on sugar rush.

[Osiris-Rex]

As for being joyless, that seems to be thrown at anything where the characters don't act like Looney Tubes on sugar rush.

Like Superman was in Justice League?

[Doctor Know]

All of this happened yet none of these films were as joyless as MoS. It's all in the execution. Hell B v S had far less destruction than MoS yet it was also less hopefull or bright than these movies.

I think you should watch or rewatch the movies I listed. With the exception of Thor 2 and PacRim (both of which played the end of the world things with lots of levity), all the other films were filled with assassinations, mass murder, 9-11/War of Terror/targeted killing (Obama's drone strike policy) commentary and imagery. MOS was in good company in 2013. The reason we're still talking about it now, is because every other action flick that year was forgettable.

After MoS and B v S do you know what other film made me feel this way? Fan4stic.

And here I was expecting you to say Superman Returns.

If someone is killed in the heat of battle, it's one thing. I view heroes like cops. Batman jumped off the train while Ras didn't have that chance. Same thing with Harvey Dent which Batman failed to save. Joker fell and he save him. Superman broke someone's neck at the end of the movie, that's the image you want to send to the World, that is what Superman does?

The Joker didn't fall. Batman through him off the roof. Batman tackled Harvey Dent off a ledge and the fall broke Harvey's neck. Superman killed Zod after he had already killed thousands in Metropolis and was threatening to kill billions more. Zod admitted he knew what he was doing was morally wrong, but he didn't care. He was going to do it anyway. Zod committed "death by cop" by threatening that family with his heat vision. Since heat/laser vision is a line of sight attack, Zod could've instantly incinerated them. But he wanted Supes to kill him. Because he had nothing left to live for. Had Supes not acted, Zod would've killed one, then another, and then the third person there. Decisive action was required.

It's not like he killed Zod and then quipped about it.
"Walk away from that, you son of a bitch".
Hehe