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    In Canada it's the association with drugs, begging, and an inability for people to grasp the nature of addiction.

    Vancouver (2 hours north of Seattle) is the "California of Canada" our warmest friendliest climate, so we have one of the largest homeless and drug addiction populations in North America.

    Tent cities and homeless camps are often riddled with syringes, and the neighborhoods they enter become riddled with crime and violent assaults, muggings or stabbings.

    Prohibition in general naturally creates a vagrant underworld filled with low level drug dealers who are users themselves, and finally most of these people have mental health issues, and they are preyed upon by the drug dealers so they can have new customers.

    If you come from middle class suburbia, there is often the association that they are the bad kids from high school who made bad choices, and so chose that path.

    If you come from a working class neighborhood, there is a Republican pull yourself up by your boot straps mentality, and get a job, and if you can't your weak.

    So in both cases, there is a moral judgement that stereotypes who homeless people are, from what they typically see, and a failure to comprehend the nature of drug addiction and mental health related issues.

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    The guy who does the Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal webcomic would probably say the poor are poor because they didn't study math hard enough.

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    I refuse to legitimize the words poor and homeless; to legitimize them means to legitimize the systemic pattern of media being exclusive and resources being hoarded

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Ronin View Post
    So we should make homeless concentration camps?
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    Excellent as always John Oliver

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    Currently America is neither treating the homeless kindly nor trying to solve the homelessness crisis. Maybe they should ask China for advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zauriel View Post
    Currently America is neither treating the homeless kindly nor trying to solve the homelessness crisis. Maybe they should ask China for advice.
    Again, and politely, there are better nations to look to that don't put people in concentration camps for being Muslim. This was pointed out the last time you posted this propaganda meme.

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    When you don't care about human rights or individual rights or the atrocities that are inevitable when you're trying to fit the multitude of shapes of humanity through your neat square hole by sheer force then yes. It's easy to get things done when you don't have to listen to opinions other than your own (in this case, the CCP).

    Soviet Russia used to boast of their lack of homelessness, drug use, or racial strife but never spoke of the millions dead through their brutality and incompetence. China has a similar history, only they continue to deny their atrocities (and continue to commit them). They get the pass that they do because they're a piggy bank and cheap source of labor and goods. The only reason we even talk about North Korea is because we're too scared to offend the real problem in that part of the world.

    We have many legitimate flaws that deserve criticism, not least is funding the rise to super-power status of such a nation in order to save a buck here at home, but to compare how we're handling taking care of our citizens (even those least fortunate) is laughable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zauriel View Post
    Currently America is neither treating the homeless kindly nor trying to solve the homelessness crisis. Maybe they should ask China for advice.
    Where is the context?

    You're posting a meme and seem to believe it 100% but there is no real information there.

    How many of those homes are there?
    How many do they house?
    How do you qualify to live there?
    Are health care and mental health services provided?
    Job training?
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    America is not building affordable housing for the working class, no less building for the homeless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zauriel View Post
    Currently America is neither treating the homeless kindly nor trying to solve the homelessness crisis. Maybe they should ask China for advice.
    While I don't see China as an example for upholding human rights, their solution to poverty has actually been pretty impressive. For the specific issues they have had to deal with, which are mostly related to poor farmers in rural areas. A lot of it was them building infrastructure, just getting services we take for granted into place in a lot of areas. Transportation, water, electricity, WiFi access, etc. They also built homes for some but, in a stroke of genius, they outlawed selling of the family farm. This gives farmers who are trying to make it in another career an automatic fallback position. And the farmers can still lease out their property!

    The U.S. hasn't done as well with their poor. And its a much different problem than was prevalent in China. In China, you had people living on cliffs and living off the land at a subsistence level, with no WiFi, no highways, no water, etc. In the U.S. we have people living in tents right next to an incredible freeway system in cities with running water, WiFi everywhere, electricity, etc. But none of them can afford even the most basic housing no matter what they do. You do have farming poor in the U.S. as well, its just not the biggest issue facing everyone.

    Pretty much none of the economic booms in the U.S. since the 1970s or maybe even the 1950s have benefitted the majority of working class people commensurate to cost of living increases. Most regular, middle class people in the U.S. just keep falling behind incrementally farther and farther.
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    I'm certainly not defending how the US treats its lower or even middle classes, especially farmers, I'm just saying the answer is not copying China. Part of the impact of our funding of their rise to world power has been the pleasant side effect of lifting many millions out of poverty. But it also allowed their government to fully fund a military modernization and state surveillance system that makes them a threat to the region and their own people.

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    Inflation is making homelessness worse

    Inflation is making homelessness worse, including for Americans with steady, well-paying jobs like one woman making close to $100,000

    Every $100 increase in median rent is associated with a 9 percent increase in the estimated homelessness rate, according to a 2020 report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office.

    Economists say that figure is particularly troubling as rents continue to soar to unprecedented highs. The national median asking rent jumped to a record $2,002 in May, up 15 percent from $1,738 a year ago, according to Redfin.

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    Police Know Arrests Won’t Fix Homelessness. They Keep Making Them Anyway.

    Unhoused people are disproportionately arrested, especially in West Coast cities. But these arrests were less likely to include a violent crime – and more likely to reflect laws that criminalize the daily realities of living outdoors.
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    Sometimes homeless people can be a nuisance that you have to call the cops when they don't stop being a nuisance.

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