Has Thanos surpassed Darkseid?

[daBronzeBomma]

Let's not pretend that Thanos is completely immune from being a jobber himself:



Yeah, yeah, animated Darkseid (voiced by Weird Al Yankovic) got "killed" by Cyborg in the goofy Teen Titans Go! cartoon (which has next to zero continuity that sticks), but Thanos' defeat to SG is 616-Marvel comic book canon.

Let's break it down some more:

1970-1989: Darkseid, by a huge margin, across comics and animation (DC SUPER POWERS show)

1990-2009: Roughly tied: Thanos in comics and video games (Capcom's MARVEL SUPER HEROES), Darkseid in animation (S:TAS, JLU, etc) and live-action (SMALLVILLE season 10)

2010 - present: Thanos, by a huge margin, across comics and live-action (MCU cameos in AVENGERS, GOTG, etc)

I feel that Darkseid v Thanos is a more cosmic villain version of the older Sub-Mariner v Aquaman dilemma, where the original (Namor) is eventually surpassed by the copycat (Arthur) on every level that matters: mostly popularity IRL, media exposure, and better writing in the comics.

Also, Thanos definitely nails the "Me Vs Everybody" aspect far, far better than Darkseid does, as Uxas always brings his inner circle and parademons, which really seem to weigh him down more than help him for some reason. Thanos is just him and Death.

[WhichDrWhowins]

DC and WB bros allowed their whole comicbook franchise die a long time ago, CW Supergirl, Flash tv series, Constantine, Wonder Woman and the Nolan Bat movies are anomalies I feel the overall trend now is downwards, unless they pull off some crazy reboot its all downwards. Especially once you count up Catwoman flop, the Green Lantern flop, BvS, Justice League, Jonah Hex 2010 etc


I think some of the biggest problems with DC is their own mythos, they have their own 'biblical style canon' which sometimes limits their own story the Green Lantern must have a funny origin, a champion of the Green, he needs to recharge the juice in a Lantern, the ring makes wacky magical effects. Superman must have his krypton story, raised on a farm, then gets his x-ray vision, freeze breath flight etc Darkseid and his planet and parademons are no exception to this rule where the story and sucess of the character can also leave them stale. The Thanos story is in continuous development, it may have not been told yet, maybe when it is finally told like old Man Logan or Weapon X the origin of Wolverine part of that mystery will be gone or maybe not?
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The Nolan movies were unique in that they followed Bruce on his journey homeless finding himself across Asia, the Ra's al Ghul story line, you got to see a Gotham without Batman. Dark Knight Returns, Year One, the Killing Joke and other such books which may have inspired Nolan's movie were also famous because the offended continuity, went against what was established or were somewhat anti canon.

It would be interesting if Hela in Marvel is revealed as the cosmic entity of Death, there is still lots of room for writing with Thanos.

[Adam Allen]

I don't feel like Thanos' origin story mini did him any favors, really. Showing how he was once a sensitive little boy who was shunned and bullied by his peers, and manipulated by the cosmic entity Death ... I guess it humanizes him, but I guess I also don't really need my cosmic-level bad guy to be humanized -- at least, not in that way.

I also liked his Death as a silent skull-faced grim reaper, more than as some cute sexy chick. You know, if we're talking about copies, you don't need to copy Death of the Endless, just because she's awesome. Or Lady Death, for that matter. I guess I'm saying, Death incarnated as a hot human-looking lady is fine and good, but Thanos being in love with the grim reaper is a lot more interesting, to me. Him lusting after someone the fans could also recognize as attractive just seems so -- pedestrian.

[PaulBullion]

Page 3 and no Thanos copter yet?

Comm board, I am dissapoint.

[numberthirty]

While it feels like Thanos has at the moment, I feel like the end of the current Mister Miracle series could change that.

[Robotman]

While it feels like Thanos has at the moment, I feel like the end of the current Mister Miracle series could change that.

King’s Mister Miracle has been amazing. Darkseid’s presence has been felt but he hasn’t even made an appearance.

[Username taken]

In pop culture, Thanos definitely.

It's going to get worse when Infinity War comes out next year.

[LifeIsILL]

You mean BATMAN has more interesting villains but DC as a whole does not

Of course they do.

Just go down the list character by character.

Superman has more interesting villains than Sentry, Hyperion, Wonder Man etc...

Wonder Woman has better villains than Ms.Marvel/She-Hulk but not Thor

Green Arrow has better villains than Hawkeye

Green Lanterns has better villains than Nova Corps

Batman has better villains than Cap/Moon Knight/Panther

Aquaman has better villains than Namor

Teen Titans have better villains than Runaways

Flash have better villains than.....Quicksilver? (lol)

Firestorm have better villains than.....whoever is Marvel's Firestorm.

The only place where DC loses on this battle is to the teams X-Men and FF......and that Spider-Man guy.

[PaulBullion]

Of course they do.

Just go down the list character by character.

Superman has more interesting villains than Sentry, Hyperion, Wonder Man etc...

Wonder Woman has better villains than Ms.Marvel/She-Hulk but not Thor

Green Arrow has better villains than Hawkeye

Green Lanterns has better villains than Nova Corps

Batman has better villains than Cap/Moon Knight/Panther

Aquaman has better villains than Namor

Teen Titans have better villains than Runaways

Flash have better villains than.....Quicksilver? (lol)

Firestorm have better villains than.....whoever is Marvel's Firestorm.

The only place where DC loses on this battle is to the teams X-Men and FF......and that Spider-Man guy.

The heck did you try to do there?

[David Walton]

In pop culture, Thanos definitely.

It's going to get worse when Infinity War comes out next year.

I wouldn't say Thanos has surpassed Darkseid until Infinity War actually comes out. My non-comic reading friends still have no idea who he is.

Darkseid played a really big role in the Timm-verse and Weird Al voiced him on Teen Titans Go!.

I think Thanos is a more complex character. Darkseid is a force of nature whereas Thanos is more contemplative. I like them both and think the differences are fascinating.

[Buried Alien]

The menace of Darkseid is a bit more abstract and more difficult to get right. Thanos is more of a straightforward cosmic tyrant.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[LifeIsILL]

The heck did you try to do there?

If you can't comprehend what I just did then there's nothing to say to you.

[Abe]

Of course they do.

Just go down the list character by character.

Superman has more interesting villains than Sentry, Hyperion, Wonder Man etc...

Wonder Woman has better villains than Ms.Marvel/She-Hulk but not Thor

Green Arrow has better villains than Hawkeye

Green Lanterns has better villains than Nova Corps

Batman has better villains than Cap/Moon Knight/Panther

Aquaman has better villains than Namor

Teen Titans have better villains than Runaways

Flash have better villains than.....Quicksilver? (lol)

Firestorm have better villains than.....whoever is Marvel's Firestorm.

The only place where DC loses on this battle is to the teams X-Men and FF......and that Spider-Man guy.

I was about to post something about the Dark Phoenix, Galactus and Vic and I read the end of your post...

King’s Mister Miracle has been amazing. Darkseid’s presence has been felt but he hasn’t even made an appearance.

DARKSEID IS...

[Abe]

Page 3 and no Thanos copter yet?

Comm board, I am dissapoint.

Good job, Paul.

[Robotman]

Page 3 and no Thanos copter yet?

Comm board, I am dissapoint.

This has to be how Infinity War ends. Thanos says “drat!” and takes off in his Thanos mini copter.

Captain America: “he’s slowly getting away.”