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    Marvel Dracula vs Castlevania Dracula.



    Which version of the legendary vampire lord wins?

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    hmmmm i don't know much about marvel drac. but he will need to be pretty beastly for castlevania drac.

    btw, is this composite castlevania drac? and if so, do we count soma as drac as well?

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    Marvel Dracula is flying brick with classic camp powers. But Castlevania Drac, is something beyond that.

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    Dracula as seen in Castlevania. Particularly if he is at his strongest.

    In Castlevania: Bloodlines both Death and Dracula can create a large amount of dimensions, Dracula's being filled with celestial bodies (the entire screen is chock full of stars):

    https://youtu.be/UAq_AH8BGfE?t=2m50s

    Galamoth crashes into the moon, disperses it, and grows to the size of the moon. Which you should be able to scale Dracula as he routinely defeats the usurper, and his son Kid Dracula shoots a fireball at FTL speeds and harms Galamoth with it:

    https://youtu.be/c8Icd0u6p0w?t=24s

    For reference, the Abyss is yet another component of the castle and it's also an explicit universe. As seen in Dawn of Sorrow.

    https://i.imgur.com/79I9QkB.png

    https://i.imgur.com/zm7Covp.png

    Dracula is noted to have a direct to connection the Abyss.

    CELIA: Excuse me. Welcome to the headquarters of my religious community.

    SOMA: You say that as if I wanted to come.

    CELIA: You're afraid of having people involved because of you. Am I right?

    SOMA: Yeah.... I've taken the bait. Why do you want a demon king?

    CELIA: It's not that I want a demon king. In order for god to be completely good, a being of complete evil is lacking.

    SOMA: That has nothing to do with me. If the world wants complete evil, the demon king will someday appear. Isn't that right?

    CELIA: That may be true. Or it may not be true. But in fact, the power of the demon world is getting weaker. A demon king must definitely be made. And soon.

    So, basically the direct translation of Dark Lord is Demon King and the Abyss is the Demon World.

    Dracula, no longer being the Dark Lord or Demon King, has caused it to weaken. It would eventually disappear without him.

    As we already know there is the Chaotic Realm as well. Which is another component of the castle, and has numerous stars and galaxies. As seen in Aria of Sorrow. There are several of those rooms in the Chaotic Realm.

    https://i.imgur.com/QEvcYXJ.png

    Specifically, there are four of them and two dimensions with moons. The ones with stars, and galaxies have them being thrown around like frisbees by Chaos.

    https://youtu.be/rFrLQYqvDCQ

    As you can see at these time-frames.

    0:22+

    1:28+

    1:33+

    2:10+

    2:14+

    Then the Chaotic Realm being destroyed after Soma Cruz defeats Chaos leaving only a white void before disappearing. Soma Cruz survives the destruction without so much as a scratch.

    https://youtu.be/9Eu1i-X2LFE?t=3m34s

    Then the nine dimensions separated from the castle by Brauner in Portrait of Ruin each with celestial bodies.

    https://youtu.be/fhGP2k0ZNlE?t=8m2s

    Charlotte: This painting... Its power is incredible!

    Jonathan: Must be one of those paintings...

    Charlotte: Without a doubt. Hm... I've got it!

    Jonathan: Care to share?

    Charlotte: This paintings function. Brauner is using it to

    control the power of this castle!

    Jonathan: Well then, let's hurry up and rip it to shreds!

    Charlotte: Impossible. Anything we do will be pointless. From what I can tell, based on the theory of curse amplification, this picture is a multilayer quantum-space barrier. A kind of paranormal phenomenon.

    Jonathan: Uh, okay... And what does that mean in human language?

    Charlotte: ... In short, think of it as a series of walls that surround the magic controlling Dracula's Castle. The painting itself is just the outermost wall. As soon as you break it, it'll regenerate. It's unbreakable.

    Jonathan: How convenient. So now what?

    Charlotte: I'll align my magic with the painting's so we can enter it. That'll be the best way to circumvent the castle's magic. the risk is quite high though.

    Jonathan: No problem. C'mon, what do we have to lose?

    Charlotte: Okay then. Here we go.

    (Jonathan and Charlotte enter the painting)

    Jonathan: So we're in the painting now?

    Charlotte: The will of the artist is embodied here.

    Also, more confirmation when talking with Wind earlier.

    Wind: Now you should be able to advance deeper into the castle. If you complete the tasks I give to you, I shall teach you even more, including magic skills. I may be able to entrust you with other items in the future as well.

    Jonathan: Sounds good to me.

    Wind: Oh, one more thing... Regarding this castle's lord.

    Charlotte: You mean Dracula right? I've read books about him.

    Wind: Dracula isn't this castle's lord.

    Jonathan: What do you mean? That's why they call this "Dracula's Castle".

    Wind: It is indeed Dracula's Castle. However, the castle's lord is a vampire by the name of Brauner.

    Charlotte: I've heard nothing about that!

    Wind: As one would expect. His identity has been kept secret for years, after all. He infuses magic into paintings to increase his power. You will undoubtedly come across these paintings in this castle. Search for these paintings.

    Charlotte: He's using the paintings to make the castle's power his, isn't he? Still, he isn't Dracula, after all, so we're safe for now.

    Wind: Be careful. His power grows stronger by the minute.

    Jonathan: No problem. We won't let you be tied down here for long. That's a promise.

    Charlotte: Trust us. Jonathan might seem unreliable, but he'd never break a promise.

    Wind: Heh, that's reassuring. Very well. Best of luck to you.

    Jonathan: All right then. Let's go find those paintings!

    A screen-capture of one such dimension.



    Also, here is another.



    The castle was divided in half in Harmony of Dissonance, and the only thing stopping Dracula from fusing them back together was Maxim's spirit. Which he needed to expel before he could finish fusing the castles, and resurrect himself. Which is impressive as the castle consists of multiple universes:

    https://youtu.be/0JGq2Nb1lqo?t=20s

    Another thing of note is that the castle has an infinite amount of zombies and monsters. Which means that it can't possibly be finite.

    Taken from Reminiscence of the Divine Abyss. It was written under supervision from Koji Igarashi.

    Michelle had promised herself to use Julius’, Yoko’s and other predecessors’ quest records as a source of information to improve her knowledge on those things.

    As a start, the castle has an infinite supply of zombies and drawn by the castle’s magic, numerous other monsters appeared, perhaps their existence is allowed by a part of the magic that governs the original Dracula’s castle.

    Perhaps, people who sought to resurrect Dracula had called upon those countless monsters.

    Soma Cruz and Alucard resisting Chaos's influence. Here is the scene outright, and Chaos is responsible for creating the infinite demons in the castle from the tortured spirits from the Abyss.

    https://youtu.be/V4f9L_CFzEE?t=2m32s

    Also, Death is able to kill things like "distance" and "sound." Olrox can dodge these attacks that destroy the concept of distance.

    Two bronze colored scythes much larger than usual appeared; it advanced to the space in between the two men with an intention to cut off Olrox’s head.

    Kill the distance-----

    Kill the sound-----

    Just, faster, soon, die.

    It can be seen that the blades have certainly caught Olrox’s neck, but----- that is only an after image and the vampire is already at Death’s back.

    Soma Cruz, and Dracula are the same person. The former even having the latter's memories. Soma Cruz erased Death from existence with the power of dominance. Death was able to regenerate from being erased from existence.

    Dracula died in battle in 1999. That is the truth.

    However----- his soul did not sink into chaos. Instead of losing the memory of his past self, he was reincarnated as a human being with the power of dominance over monsters.

    That is the existence of Soma Cruz.

    If in essence, he is the new Dracula, he should have reigned over the castle but with the help of the vampire hunters’ Genya Arikado, Julius Belmont and Yoko Belnades, as well as the previously mentioned childhood friend, his connection to chaos was severed.

    Afterwards, due to his [power of dominance], he got involved in trouble but now he is sticking to living as a human being.

    But his soul had scanned the past and even he cannot forgive that.

    While deciding to prepare himself, Soma again concentrated on his surroundings.

    -----This sign……from where……

    This ominous vortex of magic was similar to what he felt in the [demon castle]. Among all the magic Soma knows, this particular type of sophisticated [power] belonged to-----

    “……I know I am being rude……”

    Faster than he can remember, that husky voice rang in front of Soma-----

    From the shadow of the forest, a large shadow emerged.

    “……tch!”

    When he grasped the identity of the shadow, tension ran throughout Soma’s body.

    A giant skull wearing deep blue rotten robes appeared. However, there was no sense of madness and savagery. Even the atmosphere was filled with an indication of intelligence.

    “Impossible…… why here…… tch!”

    Death

    Formerly this diabolical being with immeasurable power stood in Soma’s way twice.

    Except for the time when he was able to erase Death from existence by possessing Dracula’s [power of dominance] over the souls of monsters, his condition right now with his disregarded power and not even having a weapon was no match for his enemy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Chou Lives View Post
    Marvel Dracula is flying brick with classic camp powers. But Castlevania Drac, is something beyond that.
    so that's about it for marvel drac? if so, then he's kind of boned against a composite castlevania drac.

    especially we include soma who a shit ton of powers going for him, including two types of time stop.

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    Something I will add is the fact Julius Belmont was destroying the castle at a distance.

    https://youtu.be/Pjyku6HuUIg?t=2m20s

    Then there's Heaven, and the Astral Plane.

    Taken from Lament of Innocence.



    Taken from Portrait of Ruin.



    Heaven is likely as large as the Abyss. Since Castlevania is hard on counterbalancing opposites, and Heaven is the opposite of the Abyss. The Astral Plane is of unknown size.

    As we already know the castle is the symbol of Dracula's demonic power, and the castle needs to be destroyed in order to destroy Dracula.

    Taken from Dawn of Sorrow.

    https://i.imgur.com/hVeVJwA.png

    Taken from Aria of Sorrow.

    Graham Jones: "That's right. Dracula was resurrected exactly as he predicted. But, vampire hunters destroyed him completely. They ended his regeneration cycle by sealing his castle... the symbol of his demonic power, inside the darkness of an eclipse."

    Dracula is able to create a dimension with a super-massive black hole, that proceeds to eat a bunch of stars. He can also destroy this dimension in the third phase of the fight.

    https://youtu.be/ryBMJIDCaZA?t=38s

    Here is a screen-capture.



    To add to this we know there are an infinite numbers of monsters in the castle. As noted in Reminisce of the Divine Abyss. We know they are created by Chaos and Dracula taking the tortured spirits from Abyss, and transforming them into demons that are subservient to them. In other other words they messing around with the souls and minds of a literal infinite number of entities. As further elaborated by the Devil Forgemasters from Curse of Darkness who get their demonic power from Dracula.

    "Heed my words, O great powers of darkness! Release to me one of the tortured souls! Let me infuse him with my life-force and awaken him to the world of the living! Immaculate being... Appear before me now."—Hector, during the ritual of devil forging

    There is also Olrox, who created a considerably less impressive replica of the castle, and even it involved manipulating the souls of millions. Which he was also able to hide. Who is basically nothing compared to Alucard, and Dracula.

    Taken from Reminiscence of the Divine Abyss.

    At the next moment-----something unusual happened to the entire castle.

    The castle’s interiors which were ought to maintain their current magnificent form, gradually showed their true form.

    Starting with the gorgeous paintings and furniture, the marble and stone patterns disappeared.

    A hard layer of numerous corpses formed from the bottom created a building that is a symbol of chaos and madness.

    The [castle’s] true form was hidden by Olrox’s magic-----

    Those summoned monster corpses deprived of magic, together with the human corpses of Graham Jones’ followers, created that structure-----

    The castle became one very large Legion.

    “This is …… the castle’s true form…… !?”

    Noticing herself standing on top of millions of corpses, Michelle unconsciously knitted her brows.

    All of the magic that Olrox used returned to him and that incomparable magic entered his body.

    A thick vortex of magic surrounded his body. A portion of the corpses detached from the floor and one after the other integrated in front of Olrox.

    Those corpses became a monstrous lump, the scent of death mixed with magic enveloped the entire castle lord’s room.

    The numerous bodies of monsters which were deprived of magic swelled. Then in front of Michelle there was a giant corpse doll mixed with human souls. And her heart was on the verge of entering madness and despair.

    “This is…… the vampire’s magic……?”


    As well as the Sky Fish being able to move in a time-stop through sheer speed, and unlike other monsters it doesn't have a natural immunity. As seen when it still slows it down but doesn't stop it completely, and as noted in the bestiary its only unique trait is its speed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l5_pG9nOoA

    As for the time-stop. As we see with the Chronomage, whose soul Soma Cruz has, it lasts indefinitely. Soma Cruz needed to get Zephyr's soul in order to shut it off.

    https://youtu.be/e-NUKui4wRo?t=16s

    Also, we see that the time-stop effects the entire world and reaches into outer space. Okay, here is one instance where we see the time-stop reach all the way to the moon and outer space. The clouds are affected, and so are the bats flying in the background. It discolors everything, and as we see with things immune to time-stop such as the Arc Demon they are not discolored by the time-stop.

    http://i.imgur.com/OfKTwXZ.png

    http://i.imgur.com/1pGRdrm.png

    Dracula, as the Dark Lord, is the counterbalancing opposite of God. Who can't exist without him. As noted by Genya Arikado (aka, Alucard). In the same video at 6:30+ they escape the Abyss on foot, and we see them outside the castle at 6:31+. As I already provided the scans of the Abyss has at least one universe, and they get out of there before it can collapse on itself in about one second. They don't use any demonic powers to do this either. As Alucard is in his sealed state, and has his demonic power stolen by Menace earlier.

    https://youtu.be/IOvCFl3UMwM?t=6m50s

    Soma Cruz is able to hurt intangibles, and even abstracts such as Chaos and Death. Many of the enemies he can fight and destroy in Castlevania are outright ghosts, and as I already noted protection through divinity doesn't help either. In Lament of Innocence we see Death outright noted to be the embodiment of death itself, and the deity representative of it. We see some reality warping on his part too.

    https://youtu.be/7qAXFJtbIzM?t=42m4s

    https://youtu.be/ZcymYN3rZWo?t=2m24s

    If you want even more evidence that the castle was made by Dracula, and by extension Chaos? Alucard notes that it is creature of chaos in Symphony of the Night too.

    https://youtu.be/OuH1BlhaF_s?t=12m14s

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    um dude. you might wanna crank it back a bit. for one, that wall of text is too much to read. and for another, a lot of people, myself include, are up on our castlevania knowledge. so it's best to save that kind of stuff if someone outright asks for it.

    just food for thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by master of read View Post
    um dude. you might wanna crank it back a bit. for one, that wall of text is too much to read. and for another, a lot of people, myself include, are up on our castlevania knowledge. so it's best to save that kind of stuff if someone outright asks for it.

    just food for thought.
    So what's your take MoR, is Castlevania drac a multiversal being?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farealmer View Post
    So what's your take MoR, is Castlevania drac a multiversal being?
    .................no.

    sure, he's way stronger than your standard vamp and many versions of himself but a multiversal being? that's a bit of a stretch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farealmer View Post
    So what's your take MoR, is Castlevania drac a multiversal being?
    He is. The evidence I provided makes such very clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare Pet View Post
    He is. The evidence I provided makes such very clear.
    looking through most of it, it's mainly narrative hyperbole and doesn't match up with his feats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by master of read View Post
    .................no.

    sure, he's way stronger than your standard vamp and many versions of himself but a multiversal being? that's a bit of a stretch.
    Thank you for your answer. Since you seem to be familiar with him where would you place Castlevania Dracula? I am only vaguely familiar with both versions of Dracula(hence this thread). But i'll take an explanation of the abilities of whatever castlevania game you're most familiar with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by master of read View Post
    looking through most of it, it's mainly narrative hyperbole and doesn't match up with his feats.
    What I provided were actual feats, and scripted instances confirmed by what we can see happen regardless of the player's actions.

    I think you don't know what feats are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare Pet View Post
    What I provided were actual feats, and scripted instances confirmed by what we can see happen regardless of the player's actions.

    I think you don't know what feats are.
    Nightmare Pet you have said your peace. I ask you not derail my thread with attacks on MoR. The other two threads you have participated in are already closed I don't want this one to be as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farealmer View Post
    Thank you for your answer. Since you seem to be familiar with him where would you place Castlevania Dracula? I am only vaguely familiar with both versions of Dracula(hence this thread). But i'll take an explanation of the abilities of whatever castlevania game you're most familiar with.
    I have literally played all of them.

    Well, except for the pachinko game. That game is cancer.

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