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    Leia didn't fly

    she was floating in space, and used the Force to pull herself to the hatch

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    So many people unable to understand that scene. I don't get it, it was obvious to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheInvisibleMan View Post
    Leia didn't fly

    she was floating in space, and used the Force to pull herself to the hatch
    I don't disagree, but given the nature of gravity and outer space, at a certain point I would think that would be flying, no matter the form of propulsion.

    Anyway, for me, her just surviving prolonged exposure in space was the most unbelievable part, and at that point, her zipping through space is almost like a subset and thus a lesser deal. I'm less concerned about that than the feat of survival itself, since no other Jedi ever displayed anything at that level before (and nevermind Leia, who was always force sensitive but never showed anything even remotely close to telekinesis of a pebble, nevermind pulling herself through several kilometers of vacuum).
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    No Jedi had ever done lots of things they did in this movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero Hunter View Post
    You know I think the 3rd act of this movie is what is giving so many people rosecollered glasses of how good it was. The first two acts were not that great and had some serious plot holes, but some seem to gloss over that because the 3rd act was strong. I just don't know how people can look over some of the really dumb things in this movie like:


    Snoke this bad ass monster could not feel Kylo using the force on the lightsaber
    The Snoke bit was really clever. It wasn't that he couldn't feel Kylo using the Force on a lightsaber--he just didn't realize which lightsaber, and which 'hated enemy' was the target. Kylo was intentionally crafting his thoughts in such a way that Snoke's expectations misled him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joker View Post
    No Jedi had ever done lots of things they did in this movie.
    I got the impression that Luke was able to tap into Force energy on that planet that wasn't available to him elsewhere.

    Since the EU has been taken off the table, maybe some Jedi have done these things before, just not recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Walton View Post
    The Snoke bit was really clever. It wasn't that he couldn't feel Kylo using the Force on a lightsaber--he just didn't realize which lightsaber, and which 'hated enemy' was the target. Kylo was intentionally crafting his thoughts in such a way that Snoke's expectations misled him.
    which IMO shows how talented he really is (in regards to the Force)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyke View Post
    I don't disagree, but given the nature of gravity and outer space, at a certain point I would think that would be flying, no matter the form of propulsion.

    Anyway, for me, her just surviving prolonged exposure in space was the most unbelievable part, and at that point, her zipping through space is almost like a subset and thus a lesser deal. I'm less concerned about that than the feat of survival itself, since no other Jedi ever displayed anything at that level before (and nevermind Leia, who was always force sensitive but never showed anything even remotely close to telekinesis of a pebble, nevermind pulling herself through several kilometers of vacuum).
    I swear I heard somewhere that scientists aren't so sure exposure to the vacuum of space is the instant death sentence movies have portrayed it to be. For one thing, it depends on where in space you are. In the shade? Yeah, it's cold, but people can survive at least a few minutes in extreme cold. If she were exposed to the sun? Yeah, that's super-hot and she could cook in no time. Ambient radiation or getting hit by micrometeorites can also be a big problem.

    Point is? Depending on circumstances, it's not that inconceivable that Leia could've survived a few minutes in space. When you factor in the powers of a Jedi, it becomes even less inconceivable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheInvisibleMan View Post
    which IMO shows how talented he really is (in regards to the Force)
    Definitely. That was a really creative use of his power.

    One minute he's as brilliant as any Jedi has ever been and the next he's so blinded by rage that he blows his opportunity to end the Resistance once and for all.

    I think Ep IX could give us a timelapse where he's much more confident and formidable when he re-emerges, similar to the difference between ESB Luke and ROTJ Luke.

    It will help that he's dispensed with the Sith Rule of Two and he doesn't have to devote energy to one-upping a master or keeping an apprentice from killing him.

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    Id be happy with a 2-3 YEAR time jump between movies

    I don't think theyll go that far, but Id be down with it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard-01 View Post
    I swear I heard somewhere that scientists aren't so sure exposure to the vacuum of space is the instant death sentence movies have portrayed it to be. For one thing, it depends on where in space you are. In the shade? Yeah, it's cold, but people can survive at least a few minutes in extreme cold. If she were exposed to the sun? Yeah, that's super-hot and she could cook in no time. Ambient radiation or getting hit by micrometeorites can also be a big problem.

    Point is? Depending on circumstances, it's not that inconceivable that Leia could've survived a few minutes in space. When you factor in the powers of a Jedi, it becomes even less inconceivable.
    I've never heard that, but interesting!

    Guardians of the Galaxy did something similar.

    If nothing else, I assumed there was still some kind of weak shielding around the area where the ship had been hit--not strong enough to repel laser cannons, but still enough residual energy to limit the effects of exposure for a short time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheInvisibleMan View Post
    Id be happy with a 2-3 YEAR time jump between movies

    I don't think theyll go that far, but Id be down with it
    I prefer the time jumps. They didn't go that route this time for obvious reasons, but it leaves them more freedom for character growth.

    I know it was cool when ROTJ began and Luke was wearing all black, had his own lightsaber, and seemed a lot more confident than he ever had.

    They'll probably need some kind of gap if the Resistance is going to get any kind of numbers back into play. Right now they're like a hundred guys and some kids with brooms that think they're cool.

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    wow, they topped sounds without air with bombs dropping without gravity
    (sure some comic will explain, that these were some kind of magnetic bombs, but the thought made me laugh in the cinema)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joker View Post
    No Jedi had ever done lots of things they did in this movie.
    Except Jedi tend to scale up from something. If Anakin does something impressive in Ep. 2, he'll be even better in Ep. 3. If Obi-Wan turns into a spirit in Ep. 4, he'll becomes a visible Force Ghost in Ep. 5. If Luke's a good fighter in Ep. 5, he'll be even better in Ep. 6. If Yoda's a ghost in Ep. 6, he'll summon lightning from the sky as a ghost in Ep. 8. Even Kylo Ren has better showings here than he did in Ep. 7, and that's fine. And that's the whole point to Rey's training in TLJ. Each one of them has a base to start and extend from, displaying improvement in a previously shown Force power.

    But Leia started from virtually nothing. Yes, the Force is more of a zigzag than linear, but that's one *hell* of a zag. It's the equivalent of a baby who's never walked before, suddenly beating everyone in varsity cross-country. If, for example, Leia was on Hoth and showed better protection from the elements than Han and Luke (of course, had Leia showed force sensitivity that early on), then there'd be something to go by, at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard-01 View Post
    I swear I heard somewhere that scientists aren't so sure exposure to the vacuum of space is the instant death sentence movies have portrayed it to be. For one thing, it depends on where in space you are. In the shade? Yeah, it's cold, but people can survive at least a few minutes in extreme cold. If she were exposed to the sun? Yeah, that's super-hot and she could cook in no time. Ambient radiation or getting hit by micrometeorites can also be a big problem.

    Point is? Depending on circumstances, it's not that inconceivable that Leia could've survived a few minutes in space. When you factor in the powers of a Jedi, it becomes even less inconceivable.
    We saw her frozen, though. Sheets of ice around her wrist in the close up. And even then, while the body is somewhat protected by the vacuum, it's not as long as Leia was out there.

    Quote Originally Posted by David Walton View Post
    Guardians of the Galaxy did something similar.

    If nothing else, I assumed there was still some kind of weak shielding around the area where the ship had been hit--not strong enough to repel laser cannons, but still enough residual energy to limit the effects of exposure for a short time.
    In the first GoTG, Quill and Gamora didn't spend nearly as much time as Leia in space (and even then, Gamora has superhuman durability). And in GoTG 2, every time someone was exposed to space, it was a death sentence.

    But even then, Quill, Gamora, Yondu, the misc. crew, they all froze over like Leia did as well.

    (not that we should compare the physics of two different franchises of course, but still)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero Hunter View Post
    You know I think the 3rd act of this movie is what is giving so many people rosecollered glasses of how good it was. The first two acts were not that great and had some serious plot holes, but some seem to gloss over that because the 3rd act was strong. I just don't know how people can look over some of the really dumb things in this movie like:

    Bombers that are slowest vehicles ever in any Star Wars movie
    Hux being turned into a character out of a Mel Brooks movie
    The casino
    Snoke this bad ass monster could not feel Kylo using the force on the lightsaber
    Fin being pretty much a throw away character in this movie
    the slow motion spaceship chase
    Leia being able to fly through space

    Just so many dumb plot points. I didn't even have a problem with Luke or Rey's parents not being anyone, but there were just so many other plot points that were just flat out dumb.
    On your points-

    * Yes, especially since Y-Wings are already established as bomber. It also leads me to another point- ships that big (including transports) should have SHIELDS. Hell, even X-Wings have shields.

    * He already was a character out of a Mel Brooks movie, but I'll agree they pushed it further this movie.

    * That whole section felt like a commentary on the current political climate.

    * Eh, I can go with it because he was so confident that Ben couldn't turn against him, he missed it. Much like Luke's hubris.

    * It felt like nothing he did in the movie ultimately mattered, much like Poe and Rose. In fact, you can make the case that if they had done nothing, much more of the Resistance would have survived.

    * I actually like that. It was different than what we usually get, and it actually addressed the fact that these ships do run on something!

    * I just read that as Leia using the Force to keep her alive and pull herself back in. Though it makes you wonder why SHE didn't lift the rocks at the end.

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