Another interesting take
Well, I loved it. I'm an old time fan, and I thought it was the best SW film to date. The more I saw it the more I appreciated it. It showed how there are always shades of grey in any conflict, heroes are flawed and not all 'villains' a black hearted monsters. The acting, especially by Driver and Hamill, was first rate. Whatever other people thought of it, it worked for me!
Yah, theories are just theories. I think everyone knows that. Its the movie that people decide on, not their expectations.
The closest I can think of to what he is talking about was all the theories about each and every Harry Potter book/film. I was particularly fond of the Ron is Dumbledore theory. But to say it ruined the movie for me is overthinking things. I just thought it was boring to drag out the story with 50 million years of them going camping.
Funny that the people who believe they have such amazing influence over all of us are trying to do it again.
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FWIW. I thought TLJ was pretty damn good. I did not expect what happened, especiall with Snoak. And I loved Hamil.
I still find Ren to be a weak villain. Though who could ever compare to Vader. Still better than Palpatine in I-III.
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I saw Empire in 1980 with my dad in a Hawaii Drive In. Saw Star Wars in a drive in, too, but here in Maine. I was WTF about the Vader reveal in Empire...
I agree that it was well loved. Gritty for the day/genre.
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TBH I don't thing Ren was ever meant to be a true villain, in the sense of the word, as Vader was. He's a character with so many layers its hard to categorise him; essentially he's a victim, of Snoke's abuse, his parents neglect, his uncle's terrible mistake, and this has damaged him horrendously. If anyone has the qualities of a true villain it's Hux - although sometimes played for laughs Gleeson's character has frequently shown signs of real evil throughout both films, remember who was truly responsible for the destruction of the New Republic.
I agree with this. I should have used antagonist instead of villain. But as the main antagonist he is somewhat lacking. I liked the interplay with him and Rey, it was at the end when he came off more whinely that mad/evil. Though considering the turn of events in this movie, I can't predict how he will turn out.
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Okay, having finally seen the movie (I was moving in December) I wonder what is the popular opinion about who Snoak is. I can't read through 70+ pages here to find that discussion.
I remember all sorts of theories after TFA. But in TLJ I got no more than he is a powerful Dark Lord, no revelations about his past that I caught. No connections to Ren or Rey. (other than Master/Apprentice)
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Personally i love Kylo as a villain. He is not Darth Vader. But he is a really good antagonist. Unlike the cold and calculated Vader he is driven by his whims and passions. Which is really what Dark Side is about. Giving in to your worst feelings and impulses. Giving into hate and anger. He is the perfect person for the dark side.
Some people don't see that and call him something like a whiny kid. Its not their fault. Till now we have seen the Darth Vader brand of villainy. And Kylo is quite different from Darth Vader who happens to be the gold standard.
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