no Phasma is dead. She's not coming back from that
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I admit I am a bit ambivalent. Luke goes to extremes to redeem a man who has already killed thousands, but is willing to contemplate executing a person who hasn't done anything yet and his nephew to boot?
More like their old school Jedi Dogma, but yes.
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I go by the "soap opera rule" when it comes to TV + movie death
No body, no problem
unless you go out like a G, like Jenny Shepherd in NCIS
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Phasma is the Boba Fett of the new films
whats the point of bringing her back given what we've seen of her so far? At this point its she did more to further Finn's arcs and growth than anything else. I know everyone loves the actress because she's an amazing character on Game of Thrones, but at this point do they need to bring Phasma back?
I mean Finn's basically killed her twice over.
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"They can be a great people Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you. My only son." - Jor-El
I think Obi-Wan and Yoda are terrified that Vader is going to win and all their sacrifices will have been for nothing. They see Luke's desire to turn him as handing Vader the universe on a silver platter.
Speaking of Jedi dogma, I find it really odd that no one's pointed out yet that training children in the ways of the Force might not be the best idea. I thought they were making that comparison when it was revealed the First Order steals children to indoctrinate, but they've never brought it up again.
I think him contemplating to kill Kylo is compassionate too. He could sense that darkness and knew he would bring so much suffering. He had turned already. Its not exactly wrong that he thought about that. As i mentioned killing Hitler in Art School. It was a really difficult situation he found himself in. Ben was his own nephew too.
But if you think its less compassionate then i won't try to change your mind. I can see your opinion and respect that. It did not bother me but if it did to you its cool. No problem.
You mean Bobba Fett in ROTJ. In Empire Strikes Back Bobba Fett did something important. He tracked Han Solo and was instrumental in their capture. He also took Han to Jabba. So, he had an important role there. But in ROTJ all he did was die like a chump. Phasma has done literally nothing in two films.
Her death is better because she is so useless. I think there's a slight possibility that she could return. But its really slight.
My initial thoughts after I walked out of The Last Jedi was essentially that I knew it was a very good movie, but you couldn't help think, "Did I just see the entire Star Wars saga and fanbase get trolled?" Anyways, wrote a mini-review, along with how it ranks alongside the other Star Wars films. Also, I can totally understand why some folks really didn't like the film, too.
Star Wars movie ranking after The Last Jedi
EDIT: Oh, and BTW, with regards to what this movie says about the Jedi, the Sith, The Force, etc. Here's how big of a nerd I am--I don't think I've ever seen a mainstream Star Wars that was so subversive about it's own mythology than Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II - The Sith Lords. The fact that it's Luke Skywalker of all people who undermines the mystique makes it even more so. If you think about it, Luke kind of reaches a similar conclusion regarding the Jedi and Sith that Kriea does in that video game. The only difference is he accepts that the Force than any one Jedi or Sith, and that it's folly to try and but yourself on it's level.
Actually, Kylo Ren kind of adopted Kriea's viewpoint, now that I think about it.
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Very good point about the FO practice of churning out stormies.
But no, Jedi don't give in to fear like that. Which is why Luke's retreat to Ach-To is so baffling. If, as was stated in the TFA scroll, it was to seek out the first Jedi temple and learn its secrets it makes sense. But if, like in this movie, it was to just go sulk, then there seems little point. You can sulk anywhere - why go to the birthplace of the Jedi? Make's no sense and make me think that when Abrams was getting the first one done there was a different plan in mind.
And need it be pointed out that Kenobi and Yoda lost thousands of friends and younglings in Order 66, and did not end up broken cynical old farts like Luke at the opening of TFA. Kenobi even took personal responsiblity for failing Anakin. Is Luke Skywalker really that much less resilient?
If ten years of recording The Young and the Restless for my mother have taught me anything, it's that characters in serial dramas are always happily in love...until they're not
“The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.” - the 4th Doctor