Star Wars The Last Jedi *SPOILERS*

[Starter Set]

Ah, haven't yet added my little stone to this review temple.

So yeah, finally watched the movie some weeks (months even now) ago and long story short i think it's an even dumber movie than the phantom menace.

Yeah, that bad.

[MASTER-OF-SUPRISE]

I rewatched this movie and I think I may have soured on it. I know I originally said I liked it but I think I still had new movie hype. I don't know where I'd rank it though I still put it higher than Attack of the Clones. It's certainly not touching the OT. I think the only way I can truly rank it is after the trilogy is done.

[Pinsir]

I watched it tonight and, yeah, its not a good film, its about the same level as any typical MCU flick (5/10), which is apt as that was obviously the franchise they tried to mimic most. It can really only get a lower grade from me if I came away offended, but I honestly can't say this movie has provoked any emotion from me beyond bewilderment.

My primary grievance against this film is the same as the TFA; the world building is exceptionally poor. Even though at the end of TFA the First Order suffers a tremendous loss, they somehow have nearly conquered the galaxy. What we do see of the universe is boring and uninspired. I recently rewatched the Prequel trilogy and the locations you see in those films, Naboo, Curasant, Genosis, Kamino, that monastery planet, Mustafar, these are all iconic locations, I didn't even need to look up these names (well, I don't know one of them) because they are such visually interesting locales. These new films have nothing as interesting in them, they all feel like pastiches of vistas in the Original Trilogy, except for the casino planet and well, we don't need to discuss that place.

Anyway, it is obviously the worst Star Wars film, excluding that animated one. I can't really rank each Star Wars film individually, but I'd say it would go; Prequels > Rogue One > Original Trilogy > New Trilogy.

[Carabas]

My primary grievance against this film is the same as the TFA; the world building is exceptionally poor. Even though at the end of TFA the First Order suffers a tremendous loss, they somehow have nearly conquered the galaxy.

Well, they did almost completely wipe out any serious opposition before Starkiller Base was bown up.

[Enterprise E]

Well, they did almost completely wipe out any serious opposition before Starkiller Base was bown up.

But what about Mon Cala or Corellia: two of the major starship manufacturers in the galaxy? What about Chandrilla, Kashyk or Ryloth? I doubt they would capitulate to a new Empire without putting up a big fight. And if you get Mon Cala and Corellia onboard, then you should at least be able to make a big fight of it. And what about those allies that Leia was talking about? With the Supremacy crippled, possibly badly enough that it has to be scuttled, a Mandator and the fleet attacking the Resistance destroyed, and a temperamental man-child at the lead with an incompetent moron as second in command, the rest of the galaxy should still be able to put up a fight.

[Soubhagya]

Frankly speaking i am puzzled. Did we all watch the same film? Or different films were released in different countries. I generally put that to subjectivity of films. No film works for everybody. But when people say its worse then Prequels i find it really hard to believe. Prequels were all soulless affairs to me. They all looked good but i could feel nothing. I thought only the third one was any good. I used to wonder what is this big deal about Star Wars. After watching the originals i could understand. They are awesome even today.

What is there to hate in the film? I have heard all complaints but nothing seems to stick. I seem to fight and disagree with everything. Every complaint is for something that i either liked or loved. I can't wait to watch it again. Let all those deleted scenes go to where they have come from. I can't wait to watch the film again. As soon as it would be available here i will get that.

[Starter Set]

But what about Mon Cala or Corellia: two of the major starship manufacturers in the galaxy?

Having Mon Cal on its side was indeed a huge game changer for the rebellion back during the civil war. At last they were able to field cruisers capable to match the empire's destroyers.

And speaking about all those worlds, that's something i really, really like about the prequels era. It feels like a real galaxy you know, with a myriad of different people. It doesn't just follow the actions of the two main factions in conflict but local situations are also talk about, like with the siege of Ryloth or the civil conflict on Mon Cal, and with native characters.

[David Walton]

I think TLJ is arguably the best of all the SW films. And I say that as someone who was originally disappointed with Luke's character arc.

When I watched it a second time, I noticed things I hadn't before, like how Hamill expresses Luke's state of mind through body language. Luke really felt cutting himself off from the Force was the only way to stop an endless cycle of Vaders, but the cracks in his armor are apparent from the moment Rey shows up. He realizes he's needed again and he's preparing himself to do the right thing even as he argues against it.

[Soubhagya]

I can't help escape the feeling that fans ask too much. From when has world building become important for a film to work? And this world building was the very thing which was criticized so much in the prequels. Those trade disputes in The Phantom Menace.


I can't escape the feeling of there being an undercurrent of entitlement from Star Wars fans. We understand what is going on. Isn't that suffiicient? Speaking of world building don't Ahch-To, Canto Bight and Crait count? We don't need a documentary feel to the films. Rather its story with the characters and conflict.

[Starter Set]

The right thing would have been to get that darn x-wing out of the water and to get his cranky arse back to the field where it belonged instead of putting a visual show and dying in the most pointless, anticlimactic way possible.

[ChrisIII]

According to most of the supplementary material and the films themselves, the New Republic pretty much has a very small fleet, as they didn't want to repeat the mistakes of the last Republic (Which likewise didn't have much of a fleet until the Clone Wars, and we know what happened then). As Hux states in TFA, the starkiller pretty much destroyed their fleet too (which seemed to be stationed around Hosnian prime). It's also part of the reason the FO got big in the first place, they pretty much ignored the galactic mandate to disarm.

They're a bit like the Jedi in that sense, they were so complacent didn't really see what was happening until it was too late.


The Resistance fleet seen in TLJ are pretty much older Republic ships that Leia somehow managed to get out of mothballs.

[David Walton]

The right thing would have been to get that darn x-wing out of the water and to get his cranky arse back to the field where it belonged instead of putting a visual show and dying in the most pointless, anticlimactic way possible.

In the context of the film, Luke's actions inspire hope across the galaxy and re-energize the Resistance movement. He's taken the burden of being seen as a mythological figure and turned it into an advantage in the service of his ideals.

[BeastieRunner]

The most common "criticism" I've seen of the movie is, "this is what I wanted/would have done."

Which is straight up entitlement and standard Star Wars fandom critiques. I've even done it.

No wonder George sold.

It's so beloved that if you doing anything, there will be a section of the fan base that craps on it.

[Buried Alien]

The most common "criticism" I've seen of the movie is, "this is what I wanted/would have done."

Which is straight up entitlement and standard Star Wars fandom critiques. I've even done it.

No wonder George sold.

It's so beloved that if you doing anything, there will be a section of the fan base that craps on it.

During those long years between RETURN OF THE JEDI (1983) and THE PHANTOM MENACE (1999), STAR WARS quietly attained sacred cow status and large numbers of fans got the idea that it couldn't be touched again without sullying it.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[BeastieRunner]

During those long years between RETURN OF THE JEDI (1983) and THE PHANTOM MENACE (1999), STAR WARS quietly attained sacred cow status and large numbers of fans got the idea that it couldn't be touched again without sullying it.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

There's that, too.

I'm not saying TLJ is perfect but my criticism can be boiled down to "what I would've done" as well.

There is valid criticism of the movie yet the loudest seems to be the vapid type. Not the actual critique.