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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Fist View Post
    Merch and movie tickets is enough to keep comic books going if the sales aren't great. GOTG is still going despite quite a drop off since Bendis left.
    Is it? It's been cancelled, remember. 150 is the final issue, though it does lead into the Infinity Countdown event.

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    I hope they consolidate the line down to one book. I liked Soule's run across both Inhuman and Uncanny Inhumans I have really enjoyed Ewing's Royals. They aren't bad characters and it'd be nice if they could continue in some form.

    I think they have already started to stop the push after the show was such a huge failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    Is it? It's been cancelled, remember. 150 is the final issue, though it does lead into the Infinity Countdown event.
    Yeah it's "cancelled" like all the books before Secret Wars were "cancelled"

    It'll just come back after the event is over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeeguy91 View Post
    Again. That's proving my point. Marvel invented a new group of Inhumans that were like mutants...because they wanted them to supplant mutants.
    Its not that they can't. Its that Marvel was pushing them at the expense of the X-Men. They were only exploring such themes because Marvel didn't want to give any more spotlight to mutants for obvious reasons.
    The only thing that it proves is that when the Inhumans met humans, they feared them and wanted to exploit them. Just because they didn’t have the same villains and stories as the X-Men doesn’t mean they didn’t face any discrimination before. If you read pre-Infinity Inhumans books, you’ll see how the humans and Kree treated them.
    As for “at the expense of the X-Men,” Disney bought Marvel in 2009. “E for Extinction” (2001) and “House of M” (2005) happened before any MCU film was made, and those events were even more devastating to the mutants. They’ve always been written as getting the shortest end of the stick. As stupid as the Terrigen cloud storyline was, it kinda fell in line to what would happen to mutants, and at the end of the day, they never exterminated mutants 100%.
    Just because they are pushing a couple of characters, doesn’t mean that it's at the expense of anyone. They were exploring new territory and new characters, etc. If they failed (which some did), at least they gave new characters a shot. There’s space for everyone.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeeguy91 View Post
    Take Secret Empire for example. During that event, Cap Hydra's police force goes around the country tracking down and imprisoning the so called Nuhumans. Now, if that event had come out 10 years prior, it would be the mutants in that role. But since Marvel had decided that it was going to push the Inhumans as the poster-boys for oppression and persecution in their universe, the role that would have once gone to the X-Men was repurposed for Inhumans. The X-Men were almost nowhere to be seen in the main event, aside from a diplomatic mission from Genosha, I think.
    I think that after being hidden in limbo because of a deadly gas in the air, they needed a breather. Besides, Nuhumans can fit that role too whether some people like it or not. And more than one group of people can face persecution.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeeguy91 View Post
    Its quite obvious that Marvel was attempting to quarantine the X-Men from the rest of the universe.
    The X-Men were involved in Secret Empire nonetheless.
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    Again, just because it failed doesn't mean they weren't trying to push the Inhumans as X-Men replacements.
    It’s more that it goes to show that they never had any intention (in spending money or time) in making them a big deal like Ant-Man and the Guardians of the Galaxy. They weren't going to kill off the X-Men in comics just to make one crappy network tv show that airs on Friday nights and sell 3 comics. It make zero sense. That's why it never happened. It was never their intention.

    They weren’t pushing them to replace the X-Men. They were pushing all other Marvel property, and downplaying the X-Men in general. People just created with conflict to put the blame on fictional characters, and the writers took advantage of this quarrel/inner-conflict between fans by writing a stupid comic book event.

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    I hope they do the Inhumans right and not make them as Diet X-Men. The Black Bolt comic book is one of my favourite comic books right now. Since Disney now owns Fox does that means it owns FX, FXX because if they do they could add some X-Men spin-off shows (which sets in the MCU or...Marvel Cinematic Multiverse? If X-Men sets in an alternate universe).

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    Heh...aren't people always complaining about opression geared only toward mutants not making sense ?
    BUT...that time other communities are also slighted in-universe, all of a sudden it's a covert ploy to destroy the X-men brand...?
    Where is the logic here...?
    I guess my point is, what do you guys want exactly ? Do you even know ?

    Marvel is a *shared* universe.
    Some people ought to learn to deal with other franchises existing on their own - that time the X-verse was the be all end all is long gone...
    It's not gonna happen ever again, EVER...and that's OK.
    Better yet, that's HEALTHY. No one wants Marvel to become like DC with its bat-family model, no offense to DC fans...
    "The means are as important as the end - we have to do this right or not at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Fist View Post
    Yeah it's "cancelled" like all the books before Secret Wars were "cancelled"

    It'll just come back after the event is over.
    Not according to the solicits for Countdown. Says it's the end of the GOTG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by People Of The Earth View Post
    Some people ought to learn to deal with other franchises existing on their own - that time the X-verse was the be all end all is long gone...
    It's not gonna happen ever again, EVER...and that's OK.
    Better yet, that's HEALTHY. No one wants Marvel to become like DC with its bat-family model, no offense to DC fans...
    not anymore, disney just paid millions to get the x-men back.

    i'd say it's more likely time for the real stars of the marvel universe to shine again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Force de Phenix View Post
    The only thing that it proves is that when the Inhumans met humans, they feared them and wanted to exploit them. Just because they didn’t have the same villains and stories as the X-Men doesn’t mean they didn’t face any discrimination before. If you read pre-Infinity Inhumans books, you’ll see how the humans and Kree treated them.
    As for “at the expense of the X-Men,” Disney bought Marvel in 2009. “E for Extinction” (2001) and “House of M” (2005) happened before any MCU film was made, and those events were even more devastating to the mutants. They’ve always been written as getting the shortest end of the stick. As stupid as the Terrigen cloud storyline was, it kinda fell in line to what would happen to mutants, and at the end of the day, they never exterminated mutants 100%.
    Just because they are pushing a couple of characters, doesn’t mean that it's at the expense of anyone. They were exploring new territory and new characters, etc. If they failed (which some did), at least they gave new characters a shot. There’s space for everyone.
    No, it proves that Marvel wanted characters that they could use to replace the X-Men. E for Extinction and House of M were at least X-Men-centric events. The mutants were at least directly involved in their fate and we examined what the new status quo meant for them. For the past several years up until Resurrexion, the X-Men have basically had a minimal role in the Marvel U.

    Are you seriously saying that the fact that Marvel had an editorial edict prohibiting any new mutant characters while at the same time publishing a series called the Uncanny Inhumans and introducing a bunch of new characters as Inhumans who are basically in the same situation that new mutants find themselves in is not at least some evidence that they were attempting to replace Mutants in their universe?

    And yes, there is space for everyone, but the Inhumans should be the Inhumans and not X-Men Lite.

    I think that after being hidden in limbo because of a deadly gas in the air, they needed a breather. Besides, Nuhumans can fit that role too whether some people like it or not. And more than one group of people can face persecution.
    No, not really. By that logic, Jane should sit out all events because she’s dying of cancer and the war of the realms happening in her solo. And the point is not that no other groups can face persecution in the Marvel U, but that Marvel wanted to push the Inhumans as THE only group in that role to replace the mutants.

    The X-Men were involved in Secret Empire nonetheless.
    Not really. Especially if you read the event book itself.

    It’s more that it goes to show that they never had any intention (in spending money or time) in making them a big deal like Ant-Man and the Guardians of the Galaxy. They weren't going to kill off the X-Men in comics just to make one crappy network tv show that airs on Friday nights and sell 3 comics. It make zero sense. That's why it never happened. It was never their intention.

    They weren’t pushing them to replace the X-Men. They were pushing all other Marvel property, and downplaying the X-Men in general. People just created with conflict to put the blame on fictional characters, and the writers took advantage of this quarrel/inner-conflict between fans by writing a stupid comic book event.
    Their original plans were to make an Inhumans movie. It only became a TV show later on. And yes, they would have cancelled he X-men if it would have made it easier for them to push the Inhumans as a part of the MCU, especially if it was a movie. I have no doubt.

    And yes, they were downplaying the X-Men. And that of course means that they had to find some way to fill that void, since the X-Men are such an important part of the MU. And all evidence points to them finding that in the Inhumans.

    It only didn’t happen because of the fans’ reactions to the thought of replacing the X-Men and the reactions to the TV show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    Not according to the solicits for Countdown. Says it's the end of the GOTG.
    Like how they said all the solicits for pre-secret wars said this is the end of EVERYTHING.

    GOTG will be back, it'll probably just get a renaming or a team shake up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeeguy91 View Post
    Exactly. You do realize you're kind of proving my point, right. The Inhuman civilization did seal itself off for millennia and never did face the same persecution mutants did. Their society more so filled the same role as the Atlanteans (either DC's or Marvel's) and DC's Amazons: an advanced race tucked away from the world, with advancements and/or abilities far superior to our own. They were never really a vehicle to explore persecution because, well, they didn't face any such persecution.

    These new Inhumans were basically trying to explore the themes that X-Men had traditionally explored. I mean, do you think its entirely coincidental that the Nuhumans came into existence at a time when the MCU was starting to take off and then were pretty much automatically shoehorned into the MCU television shows? All this at a time when the rights dispute between Disney and Fox was taking center stage?

    There's just too much evidence to deny that Marvel was trying to replace the X-Men. Firstly we have the fact that, yes, the Terrigen mist that gave Nuhumans their powers also killed mutants. Second, there was the de-mutification of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver at the same time they were set to appear in the MCU for the first time. Thirdly, the fact that Chris Claremont himself came out and said that Marvel editorial had prohibited the creation of any new mutant characters.

    The fact that they eventually reversed themselves doesn't mean that it was never their intention to replace the X-Men. They only stopped once they realized fans were so totally averse to the idea.
    Except this wasn't true as Marvel had made several new X-men characters around the time this statement was made. Claremont even had a few new characters himself.

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    Claremont is literally paid a monthly wage not to come into the office and not to write for the competition.

    The idea he's "in the know" is just funny.

    It's also funny that you consider when he said this, which was when Bendis had the X-Men and there were new mutants in that book left right and centre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Fist View Post
    Like how they said all the solicits for pre-secret wars said this is the end of EVERYTHING.

    GOTG will be back, it'll probably just get a renaming or a team shake up.
    Adam Warlock and the Infinity Watch perhaps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Except this wasn't true as Marvel had made several new X-men characters around the time this statement was made. Claremont even had a few new characters himself.
    Bendis started his Uncanny run in 2013. The "no new mutants" edict apparently came down in 2014. Aside from the few new mutants who appear at the very beginning of Bendis's Uncanny run, I cant think of other examples of new mutants created in the last few years.

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    These are interesting times. Disney got the movie rights for FF/X-men. Bendis is gone. Axel is gone. SJW Marvel is taking a beating. Can't wait to see what happens.

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