Luke is GREATER than ever!
No change. Luke is Luke, just older.
Didn't like this take on him at all.
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Perhaps, but as the Jedi liked to point out, the Sith way of doing things was ultimately pretty self-defeating. The Sith way could lead to quick and overwhelming victories, but the practitioner might not be around to savor the fruits of those victories...at least not for very long.
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Which is exactly why the Sith religion had some pretty stern rules about making sure somebody will be around to savour those fruits.
While his master was known as Plaguis The Wise (and wasn't it his plan that got the Jedi killed anyway?), if Star Wars were an RPG, Palpatine would have taken Wisdom as a dump stat.
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Luke had the upper hand since he was the one being hunted and could have set-up a trap. At least he could have tried and taken out all the First Order troops looking for him. Maybe that's not good enough for Yoda, but it's better than deciding to hide on an island instead of trying.
The problem with the way Kylo is depicted is his power level is all over the place. He gets beat by Rey in TFA (sort of) but there's a lot of reasons that makes sense in the context of the story. He also stops blaster fire in midair. He kills Snoke, but it's in a sneaky, backhanded way that isn't because of how powerful he is. Then in the battle with Praetorian Guards, had Rey not been there, he might have died.
If Kylo can figure out a way to kill Snoke, there had to be something that Luke could have done because Snoke wasn't some all-powerful being that was impossible to kill.
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I think Luke did succeed in ROTJ, however Vader did have to make the final decision to make it work, e.g. Luke opened the door, but Vader had to choose to step through. I think it can be counted as a success, since Vader wouldn't've been able to open the door himself ("It is too late for me, my son" was his mindset when Luke first tried).
As far as the question about if Luke could've killed Snoke, probably (at least he would've been capable of it and having a fair shot). However, he wasn't there and Kylo did figure out a sneaky way to do it, so it's kind of a pointless question.
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One thing that THE LAST JEDI did not give us as viewers is a clear idea of what Luke is physically capable of at that stage of his life. We now know what he can do with Force Astral Projection, and it was impressive, but if he were to engage in more traditional combat using his Force abilities and lightsaber, what was he capable of thirty years after RETURN OF THE JEDI?
Alas, we will now never know.
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Well.......we kinda do know don't we. Yes he was able to do that force astral projection thing?? or whatever it was but as far as physical/traditional lightsaber battle goes. He got beat by Rey didn't he. They had a brief scuffle and instead of being able to disarm her and explain his position she disarms him and knocks him down and it is then that he gives the audience the exposition.
I mean if Snoke could disarm Rey easily......surely Luke could do the same, but for some reason he doesn't or he isn't able too. Ugh. I just don't buy it.
This movie is all over the place with characterization, skill sets, and power sets.
It's when Rey questions him about his attempt on Ben Solo's life. He initially refuses to answer and then they get in a fight where Luke snatches a staff of something with the Force and they swipe at each other until Rey knocks him on the ground. Then he coughs up his version of events. (How very Rashomon!)
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Plus, I think Luke was trying to "stay off the radar" by cutting himself off from the Force. Outside of that quick Force pull I imagine everything else was non-Force influenced melee combat. I don't really remember him using it before that point. But then, that's just speculation on my behalf.
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