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    Default A little help with the origins of The Monitor and Anti-Monitor...

    Ok, so in Crisis on Infinite Earths, the Monitor and Anti-Monitor were basically cosmic Cain & Abel created by the original sin of Krona when he attempted to uncover the secret origin of the universe and ended up splintering it into the Multiverse and Anti-Matter Universe.

    Then, Infinite Crisis revealed that the Monitor has been reborn, along with the Multiverse, but was now an entire race of Monitors, each overseeing a different universe.

    However, Morrison then brought in the Over-Monitor during Final Crisis, which is, what exactly? The original Monitor? And he became a corrupted evil vampire Monitor Mandrakk?

    Meanwhile, Geoff Johns revealed that the Anti-Monitor was actually wrapped up with the Fourth World, or maybe Third World, and was originally Mobius, the seeker of knowledge who Metron got his chair from.

    And now Metal has upended the apple cart again and has thrown in the original incarnation of Hawkman as some kind of third cosmic brother whose job it was to destroy dark potential universes on his forge or something.

    Can someone reconcile all these various origins or are they incompatible with one another?

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    The Over-Monitor is basically the blank page that the comic is written/drawn on. When an imperfection was created on the Over-Monitor surface (the first drop of ink on the page), it sent down a probe to investigate. The pure probe was corrupted by imagination and took the form of the prototypical hero that it saw. Influenced by Superman. Mandrake was the first Monitor to realize that their race were basically vampires leaching stories from the Multiverses they were monitoring. Mandrake was the corruption.

    Johns’ making the Anti-Monitor a scientist from the anti-matter universe contradicts the original origin. Unless his life was a cosmic event put into play by the universe itself to counter the creation of the Monitors in the positive matter universe. Kinda like how the Force will always try to balance itself in the Star Wars universe. So the Anti-Monitor rising from the primordial matter was just a simplification of Mobius’ life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robotman View Post
    The Over-Monitor is basically the blank page that the comic is written/drawn on. When an imperfection was created on the Over-Monitor surface (the first drop of ink on the page), it sent down a probe to investigate. The pure probe was corrupted by imagination and took the form of the prototypical hero that it saw. Influenced by Superman. Mandrake was the first Monitor to realize that their race were basically vampires leaching stories from the Multiverses they were monitoring. Mandrake was the corruption.

    Johns’ making the Anti-Monitor a scientist from the anti-matter universe contradicts the original origin. Unless his life was a cosmic event put into play by the universe itself to counter the creation of the Monitors in the positive matter universe. Kinda like how the Force will always try to balance itself in the Star Wars universe. So the Anti-Monitor rising from the primordial matter was just a simplification of Mobius’ life.
    So, the Over-Monitor sent a probe into the Multiverse that became the original Monitor from Crisis on Infinite Earths by observing Superman? Then, he died.

    The return of the multiverse during Infinite Crisis created a race of Monitors, one of whom called Mandrakk realized they were little more than vampires leaching off the universes they were watching over.

    During Final Crisis, Mandrakk took advantage of Darkseid's attack upon the Multiverse and tried to what? Destroy the other Monitors leaving only Dax Novu? I'm a little unclear over what exactly Mandrakk was trying to accomplish in Final Crisis.

    And you're saying Johns's retcon of The Anti-Monitor origin into Mobius works if Mobius becoming The Anti-Monitor is the Anti-Matter Universe attempting to create its own counter-balance against the Monitor? Interesting.

    With The Monitor & Anti-Monitor as the Yin & Yang of the Multiverse, Proto-Hawkman is the one manning the Multiversal Cosmic Forge, creating new universal possibilities that either become part of the Orrey of Worlds or are destroyed by the dragon Barbatos to become the fuel for the next potential universe?

    That fits together much better than I thought it would. Thanks Robotman!
    Last edited by Bored at 3:00AM; 01-07-2018 at 08:07 PM.

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