Jonathon Silvercloud - Forge Appreciation

[darewithpeace]

and we are going to page 2! lol

[Mike_Murdock]

I've always been a fan of the character but Jonathan Silvercloud is not his real name last I checked, we still don't know what it is...

I came in for this reason. One of the weird things was X-Factor circa Phalanx Covenant where they were implying his mutant name was Maker (iirc), suggesting his real name is Forge.

This is actually something I hope they address some day. He deserves a real name in addition to Forge, just like Rogue eventually got one.

[yogaflame]

I came in for this reason. One of the weird things was X-Factor circa Phalanx Covenant where they were implying his mutant name was Maker (iirc), suggesting his real name is Forge.

This is actually something I hope they address some day. He deserves a real name in addition to Forge, just like Rogue eventually got one.

Well, considering it took the movies to get Claremont to adopt the actress's+her movie name for Rogue, I imagine Jonathon Silvercloud will stick eventually. It's the best he's got so far!

[LoganAlpha30X33]

I came in for this reason. One of the weird things was X-Factor circa Phalanx Covenant where they were implying his mutant name was Maker (iirc), suggesting his real name is Forge.

This is actually something I hope they address some day. He deserves a real name in addition to Forge, just like Rogue eventually got one.

Well the whole name of "The Maker" as far as I know is from a possible future where that's the name that he was going by in that possible future rather than Forge, kind of like how in some possible future's Rachel goes by Mother Askani or whatever...

[yogaflame]

Well the whole name of "The Maker" as far as I know is from a possible future where that's the name that he was going by in that possible future rather than Forge, kind of like how in some possible future's Rachel goes by Mother Askani or whatever...

No. Forge is called Maker in 616 by Naze.

[LoganAlpha30X33]

I think that it's both of them...

[Mike_Murdock]

No. Forge is called Maker in 616 by Naze.

I'm also all but positive I'm thinking of a reference from J.M. DeMatteis's run on X-Factor. Granted, I'm not thrilled with the idea of re-reading those issues to find out, though.

[PhoenixLives]

I personally wont count that name in 616 untill its stated on panel. Ultimate U name sure but main Mu nope

AOA revealed Exodus' real name, I think it's ok to assume it could be his real name, he just doesn't use it on Earth Prime

[WTHIOTina]

Forge is a great character with SO MUCH potential. I remember when his power actually MEANT something. However, now it seems that every character with a little bit of intelligence can whip up any device, machine, or vehicle needed faster than Forge. That tends to nerf Forge as a character.

When he was leading X-Factor after AOA - I think that was his time to shine. He grew as a character outside of his relationship with Storm. He had to made many tough decisions including having characters like Sabretooth, Mystique, and Wildchild on his team. He and the team went up against The Sentinels during Onslaught and held their own against The Adversary. Sadly most writers portray him as still being head over heels in love with Storm even though that relationship sailed almost 30 years ago.

I'd love to see more done with Forge!

[LoganAlpha30X33]

I still want him with Storm as they make a great pair and work very well together without Forge overshadowing Storm but still having his skills that don't overlap with hers so she wouldn't be doing them better than he could, they could co-lead a team that deals with the mystical side of the Marvel U, just add say Illyana and Kurt and a few others and go from there...

[616MarvelYear is LeapYear]

Uncanny X-Men #227 Mar 1988
The Fall of the Mutants tie-in. "The Belly of the Beast!" Part 3 of 3.
As the X-Men and reporter Neal Conan venture into Eagle Plaza to try and free Roma and face the Adversary,
the building suddenly explodes, leaving the Freedom Force and Manoli Wetherell to wonder if anyone inside survived.
They are happily surprised and horrified to see that they indeed did and that Neal is filming the X-Men as they are in what appears to be the Vietnam jungle
where Viet Cong soldiers appear to be fighting demons. As the X-Men battle the creatures, Madelyne Pryor runs for cover and stumbles upon Forge's past self.
She watches in horror as he casts a spell that takes the spirits of his fellow wounded American soldiers and opens a portal that unleashes a torrent of beasts.

Horrified by what he has done, Forge then calls for a B-52 bomber to raze the area, destroying the demons.

When the other X-Men find Madelyne, they ask her if she's okay she is frightened and points out what Forge had done many years ago.

While high above the heroes inside Roma's starlight citadel, the Adversary gloats to his three prisoners, Roma, Storm, and Forge.
He mocks them for attempting to stop him from throwing the entire universe into chaos, and laughs at his coming victory.
While Forge and Storm struggle to free themselves, Roma has secretly set things in motion to stop the Adversary once and for all.

Back in the war zone, Neal Conan begins to get on Logan's nerves with his questions and Logan tells him to get the camera out of his face.
Neal tells Wolverine that if the X-Men want to paint a better picture of mutants there isn't going to be a better time than now.
Telling them that he has to show them mutants at their best and their worst to show that they too are human beings.
He says that forcing him to shut off his camera will allow people to continue believing the worst about mutants, winning over the X-Men to allow him to keep filming their ordeal.
Wondering where to go next, Psylocke mind scans and detects the mental traces of Storm, Forge and Roma directly above them.
Logan sends Rogue to fly up and investigate. As Rogue approaches the Starlight Citadel a powerful wind picks up that sends her crashing back down to the ground.

As the X-Men begin to consider what to do next and how to get at their enemy, Dazzler suggests sending Longshot up first, as his luck powers might give them the edge to get in.
As the X-Men rope each other together, Neal asks Madelyne why a normal human would be helping the X-Men.
She tells him that she believes what the X-Men in what they stand for and that mutants shouldn't be maligned by people because they are different.
Telling the camera that she wants to help build a better world, for everyone, however, isn't optimistic about the current situation where anyone will live to see it.
But she hopes for it one day, for her husband and child. Ready to go, Rogue flies up with Longshot and tosses him into the wind.
With Colossus working as an anchor until all the X-Men are pulled up into the air. Colossus then exerts an extreme effort to turn off his powers and be pulled toward the citadel as well.

Arriving there through sheer luck, Longshot attacks the Adversary with his throwing daggers, learning that the villain has a weakness to steel.
After Rogue absorbs some of the Adversary's powers and Wolverine slashes him with his claws, Colossus comes in -- converting into his organic steel form and
plows through the Adversary's human form, shredding it and revealing his demonic form to them all.
Rogue, having absorbed the magical talents of the Adversary, opens a portal to banish the Adversary and tries to blast him through, but lacks the strength to do so.
As Storm and Forge break free of their bonds, the energy projecting X-Men all lay on their full powers however none are strong enough to knock the Adversary through the portal.
When Psylocke picks up a thought in Forge's mind on how to defeat the Adversary, he refuses to do what is required, which leads to the Adversary mocking him for his inaction.

Forge explains that in order to defeat the Adversary enough people would have to sacrifice their life forces in order to knock the Adversary back into his prison and seal it off.
Storm offers up her life force, and so do all the X-Men -- including Madelyne -- who, after saying goodbye to her husband Cyclops and her son on camera steps up willingly to sacrifice her life
in order to save the world. Forge then casts the spell converting the X-Men into pure energy, and tosses it at the Adversary, knocking him into his extra-dimensional prison and sealing it off.

On Muir Island, Shadowcat and Lockheed have been watching the battle on television and she is saddened that her best friends sacrificed their lives.
However, there is some bright news from Moira -- Nightcrawler has awoken from his coma. Going to her old friend, Shadowcat has the unfortunate task of telling him the tragic news.
While back in Dallas, Forge and Neal Conan are transported back to the lobby of Eagle Plaza.
Emerging from the building Mystique demands to know why Forge sacrificed the souls of the X-Men and not his own.
Forge tells her that someone needed to cast the spell, and he walks away as the Freedom Force's leader calls him a murderer.

However, within the Starlight Citadel, the now free Roma pulls the life forces of the X-Men out of the barrier trapping the Adversary and resurrects the entire team.
She tells the X-Men that the Adversary cannot be locked away forever as the universe has a need for him, as a world without chaos is one without change or growth.
Roma tells the group that what they have gone through is a rebirth.
Logan remarks that Storm's plan of faking the X-Men's deaths worked out after all and thinks they should capitalize on it before Roma sends them back.
While Dazzler is upset at the prospect of letting the world think she is dead, the other X-Men have unity in the fact that it provides their loved ones with protection as
their many enemies won't go after them to get to the X-Men now. Havok suggests that they use this opportunity to strike back at their enemies with interest and the rest of the group agrees.
Roma congratulates the X-Men and tells them that they are true heroes and that this day they have inspired people and become legends in their minds.

Story by Chris Claremont. Art by Marc Silvestri http://www.comicsreporter.com/index....arc_silvestri/ and Dan Green.

[616MarvelYear is LeapYear]

He shared a romantic relationship with Storm and a brief affair with Mystique

How does one's taste in women go from Storm to Mystique

[LoganAlpha30X33]

Well it's not like Mystique is terribly ugly, she's not the best looking lady in the X-comics, and it wasn't one sided so it was probably just a rebound fling for both or something that ended before it became to much more than that...

[DDM]

Forge x Banshee = eternal canon

[LoganAlpha30X33]

He and Sean might be friends but nothing beyond that imho...