Xmen Gold #20 Preview

[WhiteQueenEmmaFrost]

Every planet, Dimension, environment Storm has been on her powers have successfully adapted and rooted in Her Favor. To say that she can't control weather on a different planet when we have proof she can makes no sense. That's why it's strange.

That's like saying Jean Grey can read the minds of humans and Animals, but not big animals.

very simply if other mutants still have their powers so should she...your mutant abilities don't stop working because of where you are

[yogaflame]

very simply if other mutants still have their powers so should she...your mutant abilities don't stop working because of where you are

The very fact that Storm was just using her powers on the Nazi dinosaur's planet just an issue ago shows her powers work on other planets.... Surely Guggenheim could remember that far back?

[ShepardOakenshieldPrime]

You know I'm wondering if he will eventually have her powers work at the end of the issue or something. Did you see how big that thing was? What is she gonna do without her powers?

And yes Storm not being able to control the planet's weather is very odd. She has instinctually won a battle with another dimension's elements and healed the dimension, as well recently dispersed a sentient storm made by a God, there is no reason she can't control this one.

[Jackraow21]

I hope they actually address Armor's opinion and feelings about OML - she was one of Logan's proteges and was hit pretty hard by his death - and now she's interacting with someone who IS him, and yet isn't HER version of him.
It would be nice to have some acknowledgment that he's a different character.

I don’t think Marvel cares enough to address that. They’ve pretty much just inserted OML and had most everyone accept him like he’s their old pal Logan from the get go. Sure, there were a few moments here and there, but it didn’t take long for him and them to adjust.

At this point why bother? The real deal is back and will be subbed in for him soon I think.

[rutog98]

The very fact that Storm was just using her powers on the Nazi dinosaur's planet just an issue ago shows her powers work on other planets.... Surely Guggenheim could remember that far back?

Not only that, but Guggenheim read the Brood Saga just a few years ago when he wrote that story for the all-female X-Men book. In that story, Storm not only tapped into the power of millions of stars and planets all at once, she also controlled the elements on Broodworld.

From the start, Ororo has been able to control the forces of nature in space and on alien worlds. As you have mentioned earlier, she was able to command the solar winds the very first time she went into space at the beginning of her X-Men career.

Then there were the instances where she, Phoenix Force Jean Grey, and the rest of the X-Men traveled to exotic locals to fight the Shi'ar, battle the guardians of the M'kraan Crystal, etc and she was able to control the elements in those alien environments. This was also established very early on in her career as an X-Man.

Lets also not forget how she was able to control the weather on that alien planet during the 1980s "Secret Wars" story.

Anyway, the point is there is no excuse for what's going on in Gold unless its an instance where Storm is having to adjust to the new environment and bond with that planet before she can fully exercise control over the weather there.



Then there was that other story where she and the X-Men fought the guardians of the M'kraan Crystal on another local than Earth and she was able to wield the forces of nature there.

[Sin Nick]

Poor Kurt.
I'm kinda tired of seeing him impaled.

Expect more of it. Since he is now "immortal", Nightcrawler is about to start receiving all types of gruesome injuries because it's "cool" to see characters who can't die get impaled, shot in the head, etc. Happens to Wolverine all the time or pretty much any character with a healing factor.

[WhiteQueenEmmaFrost]

Expect more of it. Since he is now "immortal", Nightcrawler is about to start receiving all types of gruesome injuries because it's "cool" to see characters who can't die get impaled, shot in the head, etc. Happens to Wolverine all the time or pretty much any character with a healing factor.

Especially since being impaled is how he died the first time. It's some sick joke. Like Brett on Archer.

[Askani's Flame]

So the new formula for Guggenheim is:
- Nightcrawler gets impaled each issue
- Storm is laid out or says "my friend" from her wallpaper position
- Rachel is laid out or undergoes a character regression... I mean development
- Colossus pines for Kitty
- OML hits someone/thing
- Kitty Pryde is a jerk
- <insert guest character name> gets better characterization than the cast

[butterflykyss]

Because canonically, she shouldn't be able to. She's connected to Earth's atmosphere and Earth's weather system. Canonically, when taken off of Earth, Storm is powerless. That's per Claremont. She may have been able to control a solar storm once, but that was a fluke at best.

Complain about Guggenheim all you want but he did his research here.

Also, I highkey wanted a "Storm alone" issue. Sigh.

Canonically you would be incorrect. Claremont did establish that Storm establishes a communion with a planet she is on to create a bond or link with the planet. This allows her to "feel" when the planet is threatened and has also allowed the planet itself to tap into her powers to protect itself from people who wish to do the planet harm. However, Ororo has been far away from the earth in the deepest of space and has utilized her powers. The reason for this is not that she requires an atmosphere or weather to use her powers. No, what she requires is energy as she perceives the world around her as force and energy which she manipulates to create phenomenon such as weather:



This is how she is able to perform the galatic core feat, manipulate solar wind to destroy a sentinel, and even surround Silver Surfer while in space within a very dense hydrogen based atmosphere to attack him with space lightning. Any writer that states she needs an atmosphere or weather isn't aware fundamentally how her powers have been stated to work. That said, unless the planet itself has a power dampening affect on all mutants I don't imagine how she wouldn't be able to use any of her powers.
Again see the following:



She is able to manipulate the force (ie pressure) and energy patterns (ie thermal, electromagnetic, radiation, etc.) which result in weather. That said, she should be able to create or manipulate the air pressure on this planet at minimum. Even if she somehow was unable to use the weather (which is bs) what's stopping her from directly attacking the insides of the monster in the scan via it's synapses or by way of the blood/air that flows through the creature? Her perception of the forces and energies around her doesn't go away because "there is no weather". That is ridiculous.

It seems that Storm will finally gain some attention and love.

The normal rules do not always apply in different dimensions would not be the first time that powers would somehow cease to function when they are on a new planet or dimension.

Love?? LOL. If normal rules don't apply how is she breathing? Based upon the scan there appears to energy from the sun and forces too such as gravitational as she isn't just floating around aimlessly. There is no indication that there are different rules here unlike how things were when the Xmen were in the Trion dimension. To be fair, it could be but from preview there doesn't appear to be any differences that would disconnect her from being able to manipulate the energies and forces her powerset grants her.

Bullshit.

Storm has gone to many other planets and dimensions before, and used her powers just fine. It's canon for her to take a few moments to get acclimated and attuned to the new planet/system, but her power is to become attuned to any environment.

Exactly!!

She has special affinity for Earth since it's her home planet and she's spent the most time in communion with it. But Claremont took her to space and other planets and dimensions many times, and never showed that to be a problem. In fact, she got more powerful in space in several occasions because she was tapping into larger systems than earth.

Tell the truth... shame the devil.

Yes and while reading, you will find out that this is not the first time she has trouble controlling weather on another planet out in space.
However, in these other stories she managed to control it after tuning in so to say.

But why would it not be possible to be on a planet on which she can not tune in on it? I do not think that's really strange.

So if attuning with the planet she is on now is the problem, why was she able to use her powers perfectly fine on the previous planet they were on?

The very fact that Storm was just using her powers on the Nazi dinosaur's planet just an issue ago shows her powers work on other planets.... Surely Guggenheim could remember that far back?

Thank you!!!! Hello??? Someone gets it!

Storm's powers being tied to the Earth is a Claremont thing.

And her manipulating forces and energy patterns that she perceives is also a claremont thing, which is why she has used her powers when away from her home planet.

[yogaflame]

Here she is teleported to another dimension. Immediately she has a sense of the atmosphere, but remarks it will take a little while before she can bend it to her will.







She has a little run and then boom, she's got it. The new planet's weather is hers. That's how Storm's powers work. At best Guggenheim stretches this out for a whole issue. At worst he just doesn't understand the nature of her power.

In Claremont's time, though, she didn't even really need time to acclimate. She took to the solar winds, the M'Kraan planet, the Blue Area of the Moon, the Shi'Ar throne planet, the galactic center(a collection of millions of stars and planets), Beyonder's Battleworld, M'rinn's dimension, and the Badoon's worlds without any lag.

In that story where Ejulp takes the X-Men to the Trion dimension(Cytorrak's avatar Juggernaut had ruptured through their m-brane), the Trion(the gods of the past, present, future of the entire dimension) try to trap Storm in a mindloop to keep her from rising up against them(which she does eventually, and overpowers them and fixes the ENTIRE dimension as it's being frayed apart).

[butterflykyss]

Here she is teleported to another dimension. Immediately she has a sense of the atmosphere, but remarks it will take a little while before she can bend it to her will.



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She has a little run and then boom, she's got it. The new planet's weather is hers. That's how Storm's powers work. At best Guggenheim stretches this out for a whole issue. At worst he just doesn't understand the nature of her power.

In Claremont's time, though, she didn't even really need time to acclimate. She took to the solar winds, the M'Kraan planet, the Blue Area of the Moon, the Shi'Ar throne planet, the galactic center(a collection of millions of stars and planets), Beyonder's Battleworld, M'rinn's dimension, and the Badoon's worlds without any lag.

In that story where Ejulp takes the X-Men to the Trion dimension(Cytorrak's avatar Juggernaut had ruptured through their m-brane), the Trion(the gods of the past, present, future of the entire dimension) try to trap Storm in a mindloop to keep her from rising up against them(which she does eventually, and overpowers them and fixes the ENTIRE dimension as it's being frayed apart).

[Tycon]

I wonder what Ink's peace symbol tattoo does.

Glad I wasn't the only one wondering.. Probably some kind of empathic ability that'll calm you down.

So the new formula for Guggenheim is:
- Nightcrawler gets impaled each issue
- Storm is laid out or says "my friend" from her wallpaper position
- Rachel is laid out or undergoes a character regression... I mean development
- Colossus pines for Kitty
- OML hits someone/thing
- Kitty Pryde is a jerk
- <insert guest character name> gets better characterization than the cast

Don't forget:

-Uses Ink instead of the 30+ better X-students because no one else will use him.
-Some New X-Men (usually Anole) makes a meta joke about never being a "real" X-Man

[Maestroneto]

- <insert guest character name> gets better characterization than the cast

Technically it doesn't count as characterization, but Magik, one of the world's most powerful sorcerers, being defeated by mooks off-panel and unable to get out of being tied up with rope wasn't her greatest moment.

[Tmacaoni]

So I would then assume that if AoA nightcrawler did to her what he did to Iceman, she would've been practically powerless?

[Ororo101]

Here she is teleported to another dimension. Immediately she has a sense of the atmosphere, but remarks it will take a little while before she can bend it to her will.






She has a little run and then boom, she's got it. The new planet's weather is hers. That's how Storm's powers work. At best Guggenheim stretches this out for a whole issue. At worst he just doesn't understand the nature of her power.

In Claremont's time, though, she didn't even really need time to acclimate. She took to the solar winds, the M'Kraan planet, the Blue Area of the Moon, the Shi'Ar throne planet, the galactic center(a collection of millions of stars and planets), Beyonder's Battleworld, M'rinn's dimension, and the Badoon's worlds without any lag.

In that story where Ejulp takes the X-Men to the Trion dimension(Cytorrak's avatar Juggernaut had ruptured through their m-brane), the Trion(the gods of the past, present, future of the entire dimension) try to trap Storm in a mindloop to keep her from rising up against them(which she does eventually, and overpowers them and fixes the ENTIRE dimension as it's being frayed apart).

This. This. This. Storm's powers aren't tied to Earth. Her powers are tied to the elements of nature itself and the forces that govern them that exist almost anywhere in the universe. It's Earth that happens to be tied to HER in a special way, which is why she is most proficient there.