Who is the superior telepath: Emma or Non-PF Jean Grey

[Phoenixx9]

1960's Jean mind-blasted Juggernaut through his helmet, a feat which even though much-valued Xavier could not perform!

1960's Jean even went up against Magneto blasting him mentally through his helmet, but he sneakily had employed gas which knocked out Jean.

Jean does have mental bolts, always has, always will but she just chooses not to destroy someone's mind, unlike Emma who has no scruples, never has, never will.

[The_Greatest_Username]

1960's Jean mind-blasted Juggernaut through his helmet, a feat which even though much-valued Xavier could not perform!

1960's Jean even went up against Magneto blasting him mentally through his helmet, but he sneakily had employed gas which knocked out Jean.

Jean does have mental bolts, always has, always will but she just chooses not to destroy someone's mind, unlike Emma who has no scruples, never has, never will.

According to the OP those examples will be PIS because there’s no way Jean should be able to do that. All of her feats are PIS and none of Emma’s are.

[Omegarogue]

You know what? I just thought about something.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/Bkplx8Vq7UR...CTGzTYhh=s1600

^^^ That attack represents the sum totality of Revolution Jean's TP in a single, focused attack (and this is Betsy's powers added to Jean's, BTW). Notice the attack even knocks Jean flat when she pulls it off. That said, its this mindblast even strong enough to kill anybody.

Now, lets compare it to Emma's mindblast:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/1dyVMonM0n-...uOrqFIqe=s1600

^^^Emma threw a mindblast strong enough to literally rip apart the minds of two Phalanxes wearing the forms of Caliban and Ororo.

Yup, Emma is definitely more powerful than Jean, even Revolution Jean. This is just one more piece of evidence. On top of it, the issue did not say this was Emma's full-powered attack like the other instance said about Jean. Sure, Jean can kill somebody telepathically, but she has to do it by turning off your mind. She can't throw a mindblast strong enough to get the job done through raw power. That power level goes to Emma!

All your reasoning is wrong, Emma has NEVER been more powerful than Jean, because she is not even at the level of Rachel's power, says Emma herself.

In the Morrison stage before being re-empowered with the PF Jean >>> Emma.

And currently, we have a Teen Jean without the PF, and Jean surpassed Emma in XMBlue9, can you contradict that? not true ?, OK, and we know that adult Jean >>>> teen Jean and thanks to blue we know that Teen jean >>>>>>>>>>>>> old Emma lol.

[ExodusCloak]

Rachel Grey has beaten Quentin Quire. Jean Grey has contained Xavier's mind within her own. Jeen has beaten baby Xavier. Certain people here have a bias against female characters.

The Shadow King has twice lost to Psylocke.

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[Wiccan]

According to the OP those examples will be PIS because there’s no way Jean should be able to do that. All of her feats are PIS and none of Emma’s are.

Exactly lol. That's why this thread is so ridiculous. There's no legimate question, he's not interested on what people have to say about it, just wants to prove his point.

[ExodusCloak]

All your reasoning is wrong, Emma has NEVER been more powerful than Jean, because she is not even at the level of Rachel's power, says Emma herself.

In the Morrison stage before being re-empowered with the PF Jean >>> Emma.

And currently, we have a Teen Jean without the PF, and Jean surpassed Emma in XMBlue9, can you contradict that? not true ?, OK, and we know that adult Jean >>>> teen Jean and thanks to blue we know that Teen jean >>>>>>>>>>>>> old Emma lol.

No Emma never said Rachel has more power. Rachel said she was using a lot of power. And Emma says she (Emma) has both power and skill in abundance. The amount of fallicies in this thread

Additionally, Emma shut off Jeens telepathy with a thought and without having access to her full power.

Additionally, in the Xorna fight Emma had no power she was using the 3 in 1 as batteries. Each of them could potentially be as strong as Emma but they aren't as stated and shown in Warsong by Sublimes machine. Additionally, when the Black haired Cuckoo fell their power was cut by a third. So that example isn't a very good.

Finally the last fallicy is that Jean Grey can host the Phoenix without being corrupted. Xavier in Morrisons Endsong, Warsong by the Cuckoo's and AvX etc all state otherwise. Only Rachel is the one who has been talked down and the corruption is due to emotion not genetics or power. It's stated in Warsong when Celedte acts as a host

Also not every alternate reality encounter



Frost was cited as an omega level telepath but also technically an omega level mutant in AvX in Avengers Academy when she arrived as a Phoenix 5 member.

Juggernaut also started wearing a skull cap after his encounter with the O5. And Psylocke managed to get past both iirc

[Wiccan]

Finally the last fallicy is that Jean Grey can host the Phoenix without being corrupted. Xavier in Morrisons Endsong, Warsong by the Cuckoo's and AvX etc all state otherwise.

Because they're talking about Dark Phoenix Saga. Which still happened thanks to external forces aka Emma and Mastermind. It doesn't erase all the time in which Jean did fine as the Phoenix host while Emma instantly went loose when it was her.

Juggernaut also started wearing a skull cap after his encounter with the O5. And Psylocke managed to get past both iirc

This is a Jean vs Emma thread and he was talking about when Jean managed to go through Juggernaut and Xavier didn't on the '60s, because OP has been asking for Jean feats. This doesn't have anything to do with the topic all.

[yogaflame]

According to the OP those examples will be PIS because there’s no way Jean should be able to do that. All of her feats are PIS and none of Emma’s are.

[theoneandonly]

lol 12 pages of goning back and forth in what is a thread more suited for rumbles board. maybe the mods will move it. Anyways it is a chicken and egg situation or at least it was that whether the Phoenix possessed jean due to her psyche being the only one able to handle it in its totality or she grew exlonentially powerful after the possession but then AvsX and thanos and kid omega happened and now the Phoenix is just a clichéd concept which keeps getting used till you think the Phoenix is the only story that marvel can tell.

[PhoenixStudies]

In X-Men First Class Finals #4: The Mind of Jean Grey, Jean starts ambient dreaming-- projecting psychic constructs into the world and pulling the X-Men into her dream world. I'm sure some will say First Class doesn't count, but Jean seems to be doing a similar stunt in Phoenix Resurrection. Also, Xavier mentions how Jean has the potential to surpass him.

[yogaflame]

I wouldn't use First Class feats. Not exactly canon.

[PhoenixStudies]

I wouldn't use First Class feats. Not exactly canon.

Well, Rutog only deems Jean's green mini-dress Marvel Girl era and early Gold Team era acceptable for this thread.

Which Jean eras do you find acceptable?

[yogaflame]

Well, Rutog only deems Jean's green mini-dress Marvel Girl era and early Gold Team era acceptable for this thread.

Which Jean eras do you find acceptable?

I'm not rutog, and I do believe Jean is more powerful than Emma, Phoenix or no. I just wouldn't use alternative series that aren't exactly main continuity.

[Bart]

That's great and you don't have to but you started a thread asking a question and it was answered over and over again by the majority. You chose to ignore that and continued posting your scans of 90's Jean fighting 90's Exodus and "current" Emma doing the same and then pointing and saying "See! See! I win!"

Then *you* are deciding what is in *your* opinion PIS and immediately dismissing it because it doesn't fit *your* narrative and what *you* want the outcome to be. You keep saying that you don't care what someone says on panel or in a book but then you were real quick to mention what Claremont and Morrison said about things.

We all get it. You don't like Jean Grey. Cool, good for you. Now just let the people who *do* enjoy her and Emma Frost go about our day.

I'm over people trying to take two amazing and powerful characters and pit them against each other, I don't care who has better feats or who's more powerful, all I want to see is Jean Grey and Emma Frost in the same book because when these two women are together, they are incredible. Threads like this only serve to keep the two sides antagonistic.

This thread is stupid ridiculous *but* I freaking love that it brought Jean fans and Emma fans together and we all pretty much were able to burn away what doesn't work.

I dont like this! It must be PIS!

[Bart]

Again, the Jeen beat Xorna who beat Emma and the Cuckoos scans don't seem fair to be honest. Emma's powers were broken at the time, reason why she was using the Cuckoos TP pretty much.

The Cuckoos especially together are no slouch seeing as they're clone daughters of Emma herself. PLUS Emma had a shard of the phoenix in her mind, so it's not like she was lacking in power level.