EPISODE IX Speculation (includes SPOILERS from THE LAST JEDI)

[WebLurker]

A portion of the fanbase doesn't like the new Star Wars movie? The fanbase is divided over the latest installment of the franchise? Thank you for pointing out that the fanbase is operating normally. (TLJ not being liked is the most un-newsworthy piece of clickbait I've seen in the geek sphere for some time.)

[Carabas]

Thousands of actual people posted negative reviews on RT and hate this movie with a fiery passion.

And there is absolutely no way to tell if they even watched the movie.

[Soubhagya]

Thousands of actual people posted negative reviews on RT and hate this movie with a fiery passion. If you want to use CinemaScore as proof audiences liked it, I can give you an essay on what's wrong with CinemaScore and why they tells studios what they want to hear. The CinemaScore is calculated based on a sampling of less than 1000 people (usually 400-500). Anyone who is really angry like me would have their review tossed out. comScore is more accurate and that was lower (90% gave it a positive rating) but that also is a very small sample size.

The fanbase is split, theaters aren't happy with their lack of profits from TLJ and Disney will need to spend more on marketing for Episode IX. If Lucasfilm doesn't deliver a film that doesn't appease the fanbase and earn a lot of money is going to make Disney execs very very unhappy.

None of the audience scores are truly accurate. But if we compare IMDB, RT Audience scores and Cinemascore, Cinemascore becomes more reliable simply on the basis that they actually verify the people who have watched it. And there is a possibility of polling multiple votes in both IMDB and RT audience scores.

And RT audience score is one score out of many. If we are talking about RT audience score why are we ignoring IMDB and Cinemascore? Why only RT audience score is taken up but others are ignored? IMDB is a respectable 7.5. Cinemascore is a good A. (For comparison sake Wonder Woman has IMDB score of 7.6 and Cinemascore of A). If we are taking RT audience score we shall take all of it or take none of it. Why pick and choose?

[Carabas]

And RT audience score is one score out of many. If we are talking about RT audience score why are we ignoring IMDB and Cinemascore? Why only RT audience score is taken up but others are ignored? IMDB is a respectable 7.5. Cinemascore is a good A. (For comparison sake Wonder Woman has IMDB score of 7.6 and Cinemascore of A). If we are taking RT audience score we shall take all of it or take none of it. Why pick and choose?

Oh, I know. Because RT is the easiest to manipulate and the one generally most in line with fan rage. I'm sure that's just a coincidence.

[Ken Ashcroft]

That’s outrageous. Have you contacted RT to inform them what these disgrunted fans are doing?

[WebLurker]

That’s outrageous. Have you contacted RT to inform them what these disgrunted fans are doing?

My understanding is that's impossible to tell if users are posting disingenuous reviews, only if they're using bots to fake reviews. So, they can confirm if someone is using software to fake a low score, but can't stop someone who didn't see the movie from posting a fake review with a legitimate user account, maybe also someone using sock accounts can get away with it (not positive if that last one can be detected or not, thought).

However, at the end of the day, RT is just a review aggregate and the user reviews only represent those with accounts who post something. While we often use it as a general rule of thumb, it's not the accurate assessment of a movie's popularity that we think it is (for example, the final score is the percentage of favorable reviews the movie gets, but the total number of reviews are not the same from movie to movie -- throwing off comparisons between films, and the user reviews do not represent the everyone, either). It's just a starting point, not the final word.

[titanfan]

None of the audience scores are truly accurate. But if we compare IMDB, RT Audience scores and Cinemascore, Cinemascore becomes more reliable simply on the basis that they actually verify the people who have watched it. And there is a possibility of polling multiple votes in both IMDB and RT audience scores.

And RT audience score is one score out of many. If we are talking about RT audience score why are we ignoring IMDB and Cinemascore? Why only RT audience score is taken up but others are ignored? IMDB is a respectable 7.5. Cinemascore is a good A. (For comparison sake Wonder Woman has IMDB score of 7.6 and Cinemascore of A). If we are taking RT audience score we shall take all of it or take none of it. Why pick and choose?

I would say that Cinemascore is also taken right after you see it. So it's initial impressions--I'm not sure that's always reliable either.

I think TLJ is one of the movies you hate a little more as you think about it. (And talk to your friends that also hate it)

But it's also a movie that gets better with multiple viewings as well.

[Carabas]

I would say that Cinemascore is also taken right after you see it. So it's initial impressions--I'm not sure that's always reliable either.

I think TLJ is one of the movies you hate a little more as you think about it. (And talk to your friends that also hate it)

But it's also a movie that gets better with multiple viewings as well.

There have been plenty of people in this thread who disliked it after just seeing it who reversed their opinion.

[Black Manta]

Luke Skywalker's still alive! Right after the events of RotJ, he's captured by Snoke and replaced by a clone. We find out that the clone Luke was the one responsible for the Kylo thing and the one who was basically being a jerk.

[Black Manta]

Luke Skywalker's still alive! Right after the events of RotJ, he's captured by Snoke and replaced by a clone. We find out that the clone Luke was the one responsible for the Kylo thing and the one who was basically being a jerk.

And Rey-she's a clone too! Snope or Snoke or whatever his name is got Luke's hand and attempted to make a bunch of Skywalker clones so he could take over the universe or whatever. Rey was a clone that, for whatever reason, wasn't worth keeping. So Snope sells her to that Jakku guy to solve some cash flow issues.

[Black Manta]

The biggest surprise, however, comes from Benicio Del Toro's character-DJ. (I had to look that up. DJ. His name was DJ. And people liked this movie.) Anyway, he gains incredible wealth working for the Empire/First Order, so much so that money no longer appeals to him. He continues his career, but works for collectables instead of money. His obsession becomes so great that it consumes him, turns him immortal. He becomes an Elder of the Universe! He becomes.....the Collector! Think about it! It's so obvious! Why introduce DJ into the movie in a completely lame and removable plot? Everything else was just a distraction! In comics the Elders become Elders because they have a hobby they really, really like, to the point it makes them immortal. And Star Wars takes place in the past! It fits together so perfectly. Maybe the infinity gems are old lightsaber crystals that have grown stronger over the years.

[ChrisIII]

Funny thing is, that kind of happened in the books. Luke is cloned using the Bespin hand by a crazy Jedi clone, creating Luuke Skywalker, who also uses Luke's old lightsaber. Mara Jade kills the clone, and this helps her get over the Emperor's command to kill Luke. They also fight in another of the Emperor's throne rooms.

(It's even on the cover)
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Last_Command

I like Timothy Zahn's books for the most part, but that part was kind of goofy. Even Zahn in 2012 wrote a short story which basically was a send-up of his whole concept.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Luuke_Skywalker

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/An_Apology

[ClanAskani]

None of the audience scores are truly accurate. But if we compare IMDB, RT Audience scores and Cinemascore, Cinemascore becomes more reliable simply on the basis that they actually verify the people who have watched it. And there is a possibility of polling multiple votes in both IMDB and RT audience scores.

And RT audience score is one score out of many. If we are talking about RT audience score why are we ignoring IMDB and Cinemascore? Why only RT audience score is taken up but others are ignored? IMDB is a respectable 7.5. Cinemascore is a good A. (For comparison sake Wonder Woman has IMDB score of 7.6 and Cinemascore of A). If we are taking RT audience score we shall take all of it or take none of it. Why pick and choose?

CinemaScore and ComScore's Postrak try to gauge how the word of mouth will be for a film of normal, average people. When they survey people from Thursday screenings, they do tend to get fans. That's how most of the Transformers movies get A CinemaScores. Or some horror movies get low scores because they are or aren't scary or marketed correctly to the right audience. Their goal is to sample a small group of very average people and the group of people they get really determines the score. Remember when studios used to do audience reaction tv spot? They stopped those because people tend to only say positive things and they feel like they're special. The same happens frequently for CinemaScore and some audience testing.

What the RT score says is that there is a large number of SW fans who are actively going onto the internet to complain about the movie. It's the same people who are constantly bashing TLJ on any of the official Star Wars Twitter and Facebook posts, no matter if related to TLJ or not. It's people making YouTube videos bashing it and clicking on clickbait articles bashing the movie. And the more traffic, the more negative articles will be written.

The IMDb score has been consistently going down and is lower than AOTC now. What Disney and Lucasfilm hoped would happen is the negativity would die off and would be replaced with new fans and the old fans would find something else to do with their time online. The constant clickbait negative articles keeps TLJ fresh in fans minds and there doesn't seem to be the new fans coming out to defend it (and so many of the Reylo fans are just fans of Adam Driver and really don't seem to like Rey would prefer fanfiction to what will happen in Episode IX).

The fact that the Star Wars Twitter and Facebook pages can't post anything without over 50% of the comments bashing TLJ is not a good sign for them being able to actually market the Solo movie or the Rebels cartoon or anything else.

[BeastieRunner]

The IMDb score has been consistently going down and is lower than AOTC now.
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0121765/?ref_=nv_sr_2 ...
6.6 for AotC.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2527336/ ...
7.5 for TLJ.

BTW ... TLJ was 7.8 when it came out, 7.4 at it's lowest, and now is at 7.5.

[WebLurker]

CinemaScore and ComScore's Postrak try to gauge how the word of mouth will be for a film of normal, average people. When they survey people from Thursday screenings, they do tend to get fans. That's how most of the Transformers movies get A CinemaScores. Or some horror movies get low scores because they are or aren't scary or marketed correctly to the right audience. Their goal is to sample a small group of very average people and the group of people they get really determines the score. Remember when studios used to do audience reaction tv spot? They stopped those because people tend to only say positive things and they feel like they're special. The same happens frequently for CinemaScore and some audience testing.

What the RT score says is that there is a large number of SW fans who are actively going onto the internet to complain about the movie. It's the same people who are constantly bashing TLJ on any of the official Star Wars Twitter and Facebook posts, no matter if related to TLJ or not. It's people making YouTube videos bashing it and clicking on clickbait articles bashing the movie. And the more traffic, the more negative articles will be written.

The IMDb score has been consistently going down and is lower than AOTC now. What Disney and Lucasfilm hoped would happen is the negativity would die off and would be replaced with new fans and the old fans would find something else to do with their time online. The constant clickbait negative articles keeps TLJ fresh in fans minds and there doesn't seem to be the new fans coming out to defend it (and so many of the Reylo fans are just fans of Adam Driver and really don't seem to like Rey would prefer fanfiction to what will happen in Episode IX).

The fact that the Star Wars Twitter and Facebook pages can't post anything without over 50% of the comments bashing TLJ is not a good sign for them being able to actually market the Solo movie or the Rebels cartoon or anything else.

Been there, done that, the franchise survived.

Believe you me, Star Wars fans being vocal about not liking something (whether within the lines of decorum or being outright jerks over it), is nothing new. The vocality of the TLJ backlash will subside and life will go on for the franchise. This's how the Force works.