The panel looks like it was a lot of fun and I hope you had a great time!
I will admit that I was pretty frustrated to read what Marv Wolfman said about Lois.
Sigh. Look, I understand that Wolfman is 71 years old and grew up in a different time. But I'm not sure his age is an excuse here. Because while I can understand thinking this as a more immature reader, the fact that his understanding of the context of Lois and Clark's relationship prior to the Crisis still remains this out of touch is really a shame. It's 2018 and I would really hope that more wisdom might put some of this into better context.Lois Lane is also being celebrated in Action Comics #1000 for her 80th birthday. Why is Lois so integral to the Superman mythology? Wolfman said he didn't like Lois: "I hated she had such disregard for Clark, but would always go for the big star — I was more Clark Kent... that hurt for a long time. Fortunately, in the '80s, that started to change — they made her into a real character that you could care about." But Wolfman said that it was still revolutionary to have a character as strong as Lois back in the 1930s.--Marv Wolfman
This idea that Lois used to "ignore Clark and wanted the big star" is not fair. It has NEVER been fair to Lois. And men have to stop repeating this sexist lie without the proper context or dialogue about how it came to be. First off, Wolfman's comments ignore that it was not just Lois who "changed" in the 1980's. Clark Kent/Superman went through a massive shift too and it was because he went through such a massive shift that the triangle for 2 changed into something much more subtle and much more reflective of gender dynamics that were progressive and fair to both parties.
But even putting that aside....Clark Kent was the disguise in the early comics. He pretended to be a coward. He pretended to stand by while Lois was sexually assaulted. He wasn't just some "nerd"---he was pretending to be a coward. Lois Lane didn't just love some "big star'---she was rightfully interested in the man who was standing up for injustice and being just as brave and devoted to justice as SHE was. It's so unfair and sexist to keep up this lie that Lois was some mean gold digger because she dared to want the man who was being TRUE to himself vs. the man who was lying about who he was and not being himself. Why should Lois be expected to fall in love with someone who wasn't real? Wolfman says that "he was hurt." Jesus...what about Lois? She was the one being lied to. What about women who identified with her? Does their hurt just not count?
It's also uncomfortable because men like Wolfman grow up wanting to be Superman and yet they punish Lois for wanting to be WITH him. So, essentially, the men get to want the power fantasy of being this heroic guy but then when a woman actually wants to be with the man who stands up and does the right thing...she's the mean one? It's not fair. It has never been fair. The Triangle For 2 prior to the Crisis was so much more complex than just "oh Lois is mean and didn't like Clark Kent." There are deep complexities here and I'm exhausted with older men painting it this way without understanding the context, the societal structure at the time and the way the narrative set Lois up to fail.
It also ignores that we have textual evidence prior to the Crisis that Lois loved CLARK when he was being true to himself. The only reason we got those Mr. and Mrs. Superman stories in the Bronze age was distinctly because we saw first hand that when Clark Kent stopped with the act and just acted like himself and actually pursued her.....she loved him. She married him. She always loved the real person and this should not be ignored because it's important. The dual identity and what parts of Clark are "real" and what parts he's hiding are always playing hand in hand with how Lois feels and how she relates to both Clark Kent AND Superman. To ignore that piece of it is to ignore the story.
It's such a back handed compliment to be like, "Oh but she was still a strong character in the 1930's." Gee, thanks Marv. Yeah, she was. And she had a rich history long before the 1980's just like Clark himself did. Noel Neill was the first woman a lot of girls saw on on TV working alongside the men as an equal. Margot Kidder was a feminist icon for a lot of women in the 70's. A lot of little girls grew up wanting to be journalists distinctly because they saw Lois on screen. She was no less "real" prior to 1985 than Superman himself. Both characters evolved with the times and they did it in reflection of each other.
Anyway, look...I Get it. It is what it is and he's 71 years old. But it's not an excuse to not reflect on the ways in which changing gender roles and sexism over the last 80 years may have influenced the way Lois was treated and perceived. I was so excited to read the transcript from this panel this morning and then I got to the part where they "celebrated" Lois and this is what he said? She just deserves so much better than this back handed stuff. I'm so tired of seeing her history only reflected upon by men through men and without thought or consideration for the context. It's super frustrating. Why were there no women on the panel? Were any women asked to be on it? Different povs are vital for this kind of thing.
Also, I do get that the other men on the panel were all trying to be polite to each other and may have felt odd saying something after Wolfman said this. But someone like Greg Rucka would not have stayed quiet. He would have gently pushed back on this. Neither would Gail Simone etc. Dan Jurgens should NOT have stayed quiet about this. He knows better and knows this is unfair. I think there are gentle and polite ways when you are on a panel like this to very nicely challenge the context of history with these characters and push back a bit on accepted "history" about them and I think that it's vital that people do this for female characters in these kinds of situations. Because if you don't push back on it then these sexist lies continue to become accepted "truths" and continue to go unchecked and unchallenged. And we need to do better in 2018. The myth deserves that much.