Is DCEU and Comic Book Wonder Woman immortal???

[GodThor]

and by immortal I mean AGELESS!

because if I recall correctly, originally she was not meant to be immortal because she was not aging as long as she was on the Paradise Island, not outside of it.

her origin changed to being the daughter of Zeus, something that I didn't like.

her old origin was more unique so I don't like this new origin retcon.

now, in the movies she is stated by Patty Jenkins that he is over 800 years old and calls her basically immortal.

my questions are, is she immortal in her current comic run and is she immortal in DCEU???

do you want her to be immortal or not and why???

personally, I liked when she was maintaining her youth on Paradise Island.

[Vanguard-01]

She's definitely immortal, or extremely long-lived, in the DCEU. Especially since she's a full god.

In the comics? It rarely comes up. She doesn't age in the books, but time advances pretty normally in her book so that doesn't mean much. She probably at least has a very long lifespan.

[Phoenixx9]

And isn't the idea of being on/tied to Paradise Island to maintain immortality long gone with the 1985 Crisis?

[Doctor Bifrost]

In the comic book? We Do Not Know.

It's, in fact, amazing the number of things we don't know about her and the Amazons' and Hippolyta's backstories and other aspects.

[GodThor]

In the comic book? We Do Not Know.

hm, that's a bit weird.

[Gaelforce]

hm, that's a bit weird.

Unfortunately, with WW, it isn't weird - it's rather normal these days.

Three writers in as many years have given us three different versions of Diana, and each time the history is changed, the writers never seem to fill in the details.

- Azzarello created a Diana who was the daughter of Zeus and who became a full god after killing Ares. No mention is made of her immortality, what powers come with being a god, or how she became Wonder Woman.

- Rucka came along with Rebirth and set up Azzarello's version as a lie created by the gods to distract Diana from finding her true home/sisters since doing so would release Ares (thus negating the vast majority of Azzarello's version). In his story, Diana's powers were a gift from the gods, but again, no mention of immortality.

- Robinson now writes the book and Diana's powers now come from her being the daughter of Zeus. This seems to contradict what Rucka had written less than a year before, and again, no mention of immortality.

DC seems unwilling to commit to a consistent history and origin.

I would assume she is immortal for several reasons:

1. She is a demi-god, and in Robinson's version, other demi-gods have been around for thousands of years (until they were murdered)
2. The Amazons are immortal
3. At no point in any of the three versions we have gotten has there been any mention that I can recall that leaving Themyscira causes an Amazon to lose their immortality. This is also supported by a recent mini-series in which Amazons were gathering their immortal sisters from around the globe centuries ago.

[GodThor]

Unfortunately, with WW, it isn't weird - it's rather normal these days.

Three writers in as many years have given us three different versions of Diana, and each time the history is changed, the writers never seem to fill in the details.

- Azzarello created a Diana who was the daughter of Zeus and who became a full god after killing Ares. No mention is made of her immortality, what powers come with being a god, or how she became Wonder Woman.

- Rucka came along with Rebirth and set up Azzarello's version as a lie created by the gods to distract Diana from finding her true home/sisters since doing so would release Ares (thus negating the vast majority of Azzarello's version). In his story, Diana's powers were a gift from the gods, but again, no mention of immortality.

- Robinson now writes the book and Diana's powers now come from her being the daughter of Zeus. This seems to contradict what Rucka had written less than a year before, and again, no mention of immortality.

DC seems unwilling to commit to a consistent history and origin.

I would assume she is immortal for several reasons:

1. She is a demi-god, and in Robinson's version, other demi-gods have been around for thousands of years (until they were murdered)
2. The Amazons are immortal
3. At no point in any of the three versions we have gotten has there been any mention that I can recall that leaving Themyscira causes an Amazon to lose their immortality. This is also supported by a recent mini-series in which Amazons were gathering their immortal sisters from around the globe centuries ago.

Yeah, a lot of contradictions.

I loved her first origin story when she was a clay and was only immortal on Paradise Island. She aged outside of it as it was shown.

It was a unique origin and the best one.

[NYCER]

The only thing that Rucka explicitly wrote in #Rebirth is that an Amazon who leaves Themyscira forfeits her immortality and eternal youth.

Then again, I believe Rucka was operating under the presumption that Diana was not the product of an affair between Zeus and Hippolyta.

[Doctor Bifrost]

Unfortunately, with WW, it isn't weird - it's rather normal these days...

I feel like I know more about Jason's formative years than I do about this version of Diana's. How he was brought up, when he was told about his true parentage, powers he developed over the years, even his first foray into superherodom (as "the Olympian"). It was all laid out for us very clearly.

The corresponding story for Diana is vague and confusing. "The Lies" told us what it wasn't, but "The Truth" didn't really tell us much about what it was. (It's possible that some of the aspects we associate with Azzarello's run, now folded into gods-generated hallucinations and false memories and Holodeck-like interactions, may also be present in her in-continuity story. Who knows?)

And, of course, Donna Troy's origin is also unclear, some version of the Finch story that will have to be altered to account for the fact that the malicious Amazons in that story, the Fates, dead Ares and Apollo coming back to life, the Amazon sons - all of those are likely to be different or simply excised. (Further complicated by the fact that we now know she was in the Teen Titans.)

As for Cassie Sandsmark - the only trace of her we've seen since before "The Lies"/"The Truth" is an adult version from some possible future in a SuperSons story.

This is one of the reasons I'm not too thrilled with all the page space given to Jason and Grail over the past few months. There are other characters, meant to be part of the Wonder Woman mythos, that I am way more interested in, whose backgrounds and stories are getting much less attention than they deserve. And even Donna's story, such as it is, is being handled in the Titans and not showing up in Wonder Woman in any way - which I think is highly likely to lead to even more confusion and contradictions.

[Fuzzy Mittens]

and by immortal I mean AGELESS!

because if I recall correctly, originally she was not meant to be immortal because she was not aging as long as she was on the Paradise Island, not outside of it.

her origin changed to being the daughter of Zeus, something that I didn't like.

her old origin was more unique so I don't like this new origin retcon.

now, in the movies she is stated by Patty Jenkins that he is over 800 years old and calls her basically immortal.

my questions are, is she immortal in her current comic run and is she immortal in DCEU???

do you want her to be immortal or not and why???

personally, I liked when she was maintaining her youth on Paradise Island.

Its swapped around alot. Under Marston it was established that the Amazons were immortal so long as they drank from the fountain of youth once a day which is on the island. That said he also established that Etta Candy using science would in the future develop a means of reverse engineering the fountain of youth and create a pill which replicates its effects which she was able to mass produce and distribute world wide, making all of Earth immortal.

Then it was established that any Amazon leaving the island unless they were the chosen champion (the Wonder Woman) would age into dust and perish. With Wonder Woman being exempt and retaining her immortality.

Then it was established they would simply start aging normally.
Then it went back to the champion of the gods being immortal.
Then they established that Diana was blessed by Gaea and was immortal so long as she remained on Earth.
Then it was established that in the future Diana was destined to become the goddess of Truth and would be immortal.
Then it was established that she was the daughter of zeus and might or might not age because of that.

In the movies she doesn't age but in the comics it hasn't been established.

[marhawkman]

Did they ever explain WHY she doesn't age in the movies?

[Fuzzy Mittens]

Did they ever explain WHY she doesn't age in the movies?

As if they ever bother with such things. XD
We are given no hint that this setting has the fountain of youth from the golden age or that the island possesses any attributes which would make its inhabitants especially long lived. So presumably Diana and all other Amazons just happen to be ageless for no explained reason.
Best ive got is a throwaway line at the very beginning of the movie about the Amazons as a people being created by the gods

[Geraldofrivia]

As if they ever bother with such things. XD
We are given no hint that this setting has the fountain of youth from the golden age or that the island possesses any attributes which would make its inhabitants especially long lived. So presumably Diana and all other Amazons just happen to be ageless for no explained reason.
Best ive got is a throwaway line at the very beginning of the movie about the Amazons as a people being created by the gods

Wonder Woman movie don't need World building or explanations according to DC. They did not even clear if WW was made from Clay or biological daughter.

[kjn]

Wonder Woman movie don't need World building or explanations according to DC. They did not even clear if WW was made from Clay or biological daughter.

Some rules of thumb for successful long-term worldbuilding that I've picked up from various pros:

It is easier to keep consistency in the worldbuilding over time the fewer details the readers know. The author might need to know, but does the reader?

Show, don't tell applies to worldbuilding as well. Show the characters interact with the world, don't tell the readers how and why it interacts the way it does.

Keep the worldbuilding details in reserve until they are needed.

Always reserve the right to a better idea.

[kjn]

Did they ever explain WHY she doesn't age in the movies?

Other than calling her a goddess (or demigoddess, though given that Greek mythology used the word in a wholly different way than is applicable to Diana, I don't like how the word is tossed around related to her by DC and others), AFAIK no.