What should the premise of an Invisible Woman mini be?

[CaptCleghorn]

You want a real shocking affair? Have Sue and Ben Grimm have an affair and see what that means to Reed Richards. Ben always had a crush on Sue and was fighting for her affections right up until Reed and Sue got married. A writer could manufacture a situation where Sue and Ben find themselves together and it turns romantic while Ben is turned back human. Sue feels guilty she does it but can’t end the affair once it starts. It would be a sensational story.

Love your little Icon Crimz. I remember Steve McNivens provocative covers of Sue and the Thing in “the 4” just before Civil War. They were so sexy having Sue with the Thing alone like that.

It was.

[The Ray]

You want a real shocking affair? Have Sue and Ben Grimm have an affair and see what that means to Reed Richards. Ben always had a crush on Sue and was fighting for her affections right up until Reed and Sue got married. A writer could manufacture a situation where Sue and Ben find themselves together and it turns romantic while Ben is turned back human. Sue feels guilty she does it but can’t end the affair once it starts. It would be a sensational story.

Marvel did just that with the Inhumans in "Royals". No one liked it.

Affair stories aren't new nor are groundbreaking. They are just cheap and, more often than not, pretty bad. If you wanna see it so much, there's a specific genre of porn for people like you. Go have your fan.

[Crimz]

In the previous page I explained how an affair is the last thing Sue needs. She needs to be developed outside of her family and the men in her life and have a presence in the MU like the other members of her team do. An affair would be all of the bad things keeping her character down being magnified and ruining the character for good.

She needs goals, aspirations, and actual character development. If you want to read about an affair, I'm sure there are plenty of AU's out there that will cater to that. It should never happen in the main universe with original Sue.

[jackolover]

Marvel did just that with the Inhumans in "Royals". No one liked it.

Affair stories aren't new nor are groundbreaking. They are just cheap and, more often than not, pretty bad. If you wanna see it so much, there's a specific genre of porn for people like you. Go have your fan.

Drama. High drama, if it’s best friends involved. I wouldn’t be looking for porn in that regard, just the complication. I’ve read those porn couplings but they just don’t work.

[jackolover]

In the previous page I explained how an affair is the last thing Sue needs. She needs to be developed outside of her family and the men in her life and have a presence in the MU like the other members of her team do. An affair would be all of the bad things keeping her character down being magnified and ruining the character for good.

She needs goals, aspirations, and actual character development. If you want to read about an affair, I'm sure there are plenty of AU's out there that will cater to that. It should never happen in the main universe with original Sue.

Why? Is Sue untouchable, like Gwen Stacy was untouchable until she was having babies to Norman Osborn? Nobody is immune at Marvel. There are no protected characters anymore since Hydra Cap.

[jackolover]

It was.

Thanks for the suggestion. I was unaware of this, but it does propose a dalliance between Ben and Sue, albeit in another Universe? I’m glad at least someone ran with this idea between Sue and Ben being romantic. The book even won an award.

[Crimz]

Why? Is Sue untouchable, like Gwen Stacy was untouchable until she was having babies to Norman Osborn? Nobody is immune at Marvel. There are no protected characters anymore since Hydra Cap.

It is a stupid idea that would bring nothing worthwhile to the characters. It would only be cheap drama that would irreparably damage Sue, Ben and the Fantastic Four as a whole. That being the only type of story Sue would get for her first ever mini would show just how misogynistic Marvel is to the character. It is an idea that should never happen.

[jackolover]

It is a stupid idea that would bring nothing worthwhile to the characters. It would only be cheap drama that would irreparably damage Sue, Ben and the Fantastic Four as a whole. That being the only type of story Sue would get for her first ever mini would show just how misogynistic Marvel is to the character. It is an idea that should never happen.

It’s only an idea among many. Not my first option though. My first option is still the clandestine Sue idea.

[JasonEsta]

Yes they are happy. Whenever Reed keeps thing s from his family it's always to protect them and Sue has had conversations with him about how that isn't helping. They've gotten past that and Reed is sharing more. The last book they both were (Avengers:Time runs out) had Sue knowing about the Illuminati and helping Reed try and save what he could of the universe. An affair would not only be a repeated story but it would make Sue look horrible, all for cheap drama. There is no positive and it would not benefit the character in any way. What she needs are stories that get away from that tired drama and focus on her as growing as a person. It's been over 50 years since her creation and we know hardly anything about her. We don't know what she's like outside of the family, we don't know of any goals or aspirations, and she doesn't even have best friend.

The most people can describe about Sue is "nice" or "loves her family". That's it. While there could be paragraphs written about the other three. An affair would do nothing but ruin Sue's image and taint the only long-lasting superhero marriage.

You know..it's just way too convenient. Too cute. Reed does it all in the noble name of family? All those lies? It's insulting to the reader that Reed is the paragon of right and wrong when he has clearly chosen his work over his wife in several instances.

As for ruining her image? So be it. She's on a boring path that isn't pushing the envelope. She's not a feminist. She's not a marcher for gay rights. She's not a Lesbian. She's stuck in a runt of being a mother hen to 3 grown men and her two children. It's time to switch it up. Magik shouldn't be so much more interesting than Sue Richards in 2018.

[CaptCleghorn]

You know..it's just way too convenient. Too cute. Reed does it all in the noble name of family? All those lies? It's insulting to the reader that Reed is the paragon of right and wrong when he has clearly chosen his work over his wife in several instances.

As for ruining her image? So be it. She's on a boring path that isn't pushing the envelope. She's not a feminist. She's not a marcher for gay rights. She's not a Lesbian. She's stuck in a runt of being a mother hen to 3 grown men and her two children. It's time to switch it up. Magik shouldn't be so much more interesting than Sue Richards in 2018.

Crimz's point should be that Sue's image is the driving factor. it's that an affair shouldn't the the first thing people think of when coming up with a Sue mini idea. If it was a Reed mini, the idea of him having an affair woiuldn't be high on many lists of story ideas. Why is it that way with Sue? Make her a superhero. That's the point with the "STFU about her and an affair already" talk.

[JasonEsta]

Crimz's point should be that Sue's image is the driving factor. it's that an affair shouldn't the the first thing people think of when coming up with a Sue mini idea. If it was a Reed mini, the idea of him having an affair woiuldn't be high on many lists of story ideas. Why is it that way with Sue? Make her a superhero. That's the point with the "STFU about her and an affair already" talk.

No. It's not something to revolve her around. Just a shocking cliffhanger that takes breath out of the reader. Something different. Not another Sue rescues her kids or idiot brother.

[Iron Maiden]

In the previous page I explained how an affair is the last thing Sue needs. She needs to be developed outside of her family and the men in her life and have a presence in the MU like the other members of her team do. An affair would be all of the bad things keeping her character down being magnified and ruining the character for good.

She needs goals, aspirations, and actual character development. If you want to read about an affair, I'm sure there are plenty of AU's out there that will cater to that. It should never happen in the main universe with original Sue.

I agree and one only has to look at how many fans on the boards think of Crystal as a trashy and she cheated on Pietro many years ago. Yours is the better route to take with Sue.

[Techno_Knight]

>there are people in this VERY THREAD, who not only are open to, but specifically WANT, cuck stories
Wew!



When did cucking get not only socially acceptable, but prime character development material? Is this some sort of "liberation" thing? A "Get that big hard dick from Chad Thundercock girl, you deserve it" situation? I never knew so many people read that "Sue becomes Wakanda's Ambassador and turns into T'Challa's slave fucktoy" fanfic...

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Aaaaanyhow, how about... her going back for her degree? Ock did it during Superior Spider-Man. Maybe it's a medical one, which would open the door for some interactions with Doctor Strange. Or how about heading several F4 Foundations that deal with various themes and topics? One for veterans, one for animals, etc, etc. Maybe she can even run for some US Government position. Stark did become Secretary of State for a while. Hell, maybe she can try her hand at directing a film or two. Not too many artist super-heroes in the MU. It might just be me and my "closed mindedness" for not liking the superior fetish that is cucking, but "cheating wife" would be just bellow "Sue is actually psychotic and eats Mole People after she goes on killing sprees" in directions I'd take her book...

[jackolover]

Good ideas Techno.

I always thought Sue was the most powerful of the FF because she can attack enemies in these invisible ways, or, sneak anywhere, and anyone who detects her can be easily disposed of. She could basically be this observer, and if she was like the Purple Man, she could make people die suddenly, but she’s not, and that’s the difference between them right there. But if you could convince Sue it was to the betterment of the world to, not like that precog in CWII, but just quietly remove super criminals one by one, that could be some story to tell.

[Crimz]

I agree and one only has to look at how many fans on the boards think of Crystal as a trashy and she cheated on Pietro many years ago. Yours is the better route to take with Sue.

The cheap shock would last for only a chapter, but the negative perception of the character would last for the rest of the character's existence. It's not worth it.
My idea isn't the only

Aaaaanyhow, how about... her going back for her degree? Ock did it during Superior Spider-Man. Maybe it's a medical one, which would open the door for some interactions with Doctor Strange. Or how about heading several F4 Foundations that deal with various themes and topics? One for veterans, one for animals, etc, etc. Maybe she can even run for some US Government position. Stark did become Secretary of State for a while. Hell, maybe she can try her hand at directing a film or two. Not too many artist super-heroes in the MU. It might just be me and my "closed mindedness" for not liking the superior fetish that is cucking, but "cheating wife" would be just bellow "Sue is actually psychotic and eats Mole People after she goes on killing sprees" in directions I'd take her book...

That's the main thing the book should be about, her getting out in there in the MU and having a presence outside of being on the FF. It should be a story that can't be done in a FF book, her getting a medical degree is just one of many routes to do this by permanently giving a role that would mean we'd see her more around the MU. She'd be called in when people need medical help and her powers would mean that she'd be perfect for treating the injured during a battle and getting the out safely. It's one change that can make a huge difference for the character.