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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacred Knight View Post
    I'll be honest, the more I think about it the more it pisses me off that now even the inspiration is being divvied up between the whole DCU. Now everyone is their inspiration? Last I checked the Legion wasn't born as a concept and didn't become popular in the first place because of Batman. Nor because of Wonder Woman. Nor because of Aquaman. Nor because of Green Lantern. Etc. Etc. The property became something popular because of Superman. Period. That's just the truth. But now inspiration for their forming has to be shared and equal. It just irritates me.
    To be fair, when they first appeared Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman were basically the only superheroes DC was publishing (outside of back-ups), and the shared universe more or less only existed in theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacred Knight View Post
    I'll be honest, the more I think about it the more it pisses me off that now even the inspiration is being divvied up between the whole DCU. Now everyone is their inspiration? Last I checked the Legion wasn't born as a concept and didn't become popular in the first place because of Batman. Nor because of Wonder Woman. Nor because of Aquaman. Nor because of Green Lantern. Etc. Etc. The property became something popular because of Superman. Period. That's just the truth. But now inspiration for their forming has to be shared and equal. It just irritates me.
    Yeah, gods forbid Clark gets to actually be as special as DC's lip service claims he is.

    Honestly I'm more annoyed about this than I am the idea of Jon being the one to join the Legion instead of Clark. I get what Bendis is saying about Jon and the Legion and he's got a valid point, even though I don't agree with him. But this is just.....yeah, let's take something else away from Clark so other characters can ride his success.
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    Bendis is having him actually found the United Planets and apparently do the work of trying to run it though, so thatís something. And unlike Batman, Inc this isnít going to freaking collapse in less than a year lmao! But yeah I do think taking everything away from Clark and giving it to someone else is annoying. But Bendis isnít the first to do this, pretty much ALL of Post Crisis Superman had (canon) Superman and the LoSH never interact. Kara hung out with Waidís LoSH, and Kon hung out with Johns.

    At this point though thereís zero reason to keep Secret Origin in canon. Itís the second weakest one and Iíd rather Wolfmanís Origin took its place. Man and Superman is a pretty good compromise between Byrne and Morrison, even though it was written long before Morrison!

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    I mean, I'd be just as wound up as some of you when it comes to Superman not being named as the individual inspiration for the Legion.......if we didn't have photographic proof that a suitable and arguably more important role wasn't given to Superman's actions. As a bonus, said role is actually the direct reason that the Legion is a thing in this continuity.






    Superman and his family unambiguously create the United Planets right on panel in an actual comic book. The Legion don't come back to the past to see Batman punch Bane in the face for the 3rd time, or Wonder Woman tie up Doctor Poison for the 6th. The come back to the past to see, in there own words, "the day that changed everything." It's "the day the put the galaxy on a path towards a real future." And in no uncertain terms "it was the decision to form the United Planets that saved all of us."

    Hell, they even named this day a freakin galactic holiday. August 18th is now "Unity Day." It's a straight up Miracle Monday homage on top of everything. And then to put the icing on the unambiguous cake, that moment--that day is "the greatest day of the age of heroes."

    Now obviously this isn't the more nebulous inspiration of before where they are inspired by him simply because he's Superman (which in and of itself is perfectly cool by me. I've always found the idea extremely charming in and of itself). It's a far more tangible and direct legacy he leaves with a far greater reach. Clark and his family create the base for an intergalactic unified government that will take root and thrive a thousand years from now, and he'll also apparently because Earth's first president.

    I don't expect it to satisfy everyone who would rather the original alternative, but it's not as if Bendis is pulling a post-crisis Mon-El and leaving Clark with no fair compensation and alternative means for new story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacred Knight View Post
    I'll be honest, the more I think about it the more it pisses me off that now even the inspiration is being divvied up between the whole DCU. Now everyone is their inspiration? Last I checked the Legion wasn't born as a concept and didn't become popular in the first place because of Batman. Nor because of Wonder Woman. Nor because of Aquaman. Nor because of Green Lantern. Etc. Etc. The property became something popular because of Superman. Period. That's just the truth. But now inspiration for their forming has to be shared and equal. It just irritates me.
    Life has been kicking my butt lately so I'm behind on my reading/news and I've mostly been lurking, but I must have missed something because I don't see where it was explicitly stated this was the case? I don't doubt it, that sounds like something DC's current editorial would do, but where was that said?

    It sucks. I understand where Bendis wants to go with making Jon the central figure for the new Legion (he wants to have a Superboy and the Legion for a new generation, which isn't awful even if I dislike how we got there), but Clark is really losing his place in the DCU to prop others up. It's strange. Everyone on the JLA is allowed to overcome their built in weaknesses from launch (yellow, needing to be near water, bondage) but it's Clark and J'onn who can't get over their weaknesses, yet Clark also has his corner of the universe harvested for the greater DCU. Brainiac is treated more like a JLA/DCU villain these days, and Luthor's A-Game is reserved for team-ups. The Legion is now being pulled from him. What's next?

    I swear, DC hates him but loves everything around him.

    EDIT: Just saw the page above. I know Bendis means well, but this absolutely sucks and needs a retcon. They're doing everything they can to piecemeal what makes him special/unique and make Clark irrelevant. He's not going to be special if you do your best to make him generic.
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