Official : Bendis gets both books

[Blue22]

If you ask Tumblr every character is pansexual and always *ahem* in the mood.

Yeeeeah. I used to go there a lot because there are some surprisingly good Batfamily fanfics but...uh...the fan art on the other hand....*shudder*

[Celgress]

Yeeeeah. I used to go there a lot because there are some surprisingly good Batfamily fanfics but...uh...the fan art on the other hand....*shudder*

True that, didn't Tumblr go "porn free" a few months ago due to a change in terms of service (I think I heard that)? If so half (or more) of the content must have been purged because when I frequented there a few years ago it was nothing but (frequently disturbing) porn lol.

[Vordan]

True that, didn't Tumblr go "porn free" a few months ago due to a change in terms of service (I think I heard that)? If so half (or more) of the content must have been purged because when I frequented there a few years ago it was nothing but (frequently disturbing) porn lol.

Oh the website basically died when that went into effect.

[Yoda]

This sounds super cool, and pretty much what I'm guessing it will be (if anything at all). But, I'd be lying if I said I could completely wrap my head around how they'd rationalize this to a perspective buyer.

I’m thinking they treat the Gen 1 & 2 stuff like a variation of Black Label - discrete limited runs, anchored by some AAA content like a Snyder JSA book. Either in a TBP format or something akin to BL prestige format books like The Last Knight on Earth. They wouldn’t be ongoing or just loosely ongoing but I’m thinking leaning more towards evergreen content.

If they were really smart, they’d market Gen 5 to the young adult reader, the TPB market they are having solid success with Raven and Harley Quinn in the formerly known as Ink line. Skip the monthly floppy altogether.

I really think this has to be a component of it all. The “we haven’t seen these [Gen 1 & 2] stories” line really makes me think something like this is in the pipe. That along with how Didio and Lee really want to push different delivery systems for comics beyond the direct market. The Young Adult graphic novel category more than doubles the superhero category and stores like Walmart and Target are expanding the graphic novel sections.

[manwhohaseverything]

I will buy into this gen 1,2,3...etc thing if and only if we get goldenage guy and the silverage guy back. If Kal L and pre crisis kal el are back. Then i am all for it. Otherwise, this is a waste.

[Superlad93]

Eh I think he clearly had feelings for Kathy at least in Tomasi’s Superman run. Doesn’t stop him from being bi though. I am wondering how Bendis will handle 31st century sexuality.

I wouldn't say that. Kathy certainly had feeling for Jon that she didn't hide well (if at all), but Jon seemed to put her in the best bud club pretty fast. The last time they interacting during the Boyzarro story, Kathy calls Jon handsome, and he literally says "gag me with a spoon." Kathy was the one who was jealous of when Jon helped Nobody pick up her books. Kathy was the one who proclaimed that she felt safe with Jon, and even went in to hold his hand. Jon was passively or actively brushing all of these obvious advances

I'm intrested in seeing how Bendis handles sexuality in the 31st century too. It's mainstream comics, so I'm not expecting anything too ham, but the way he's worded some stuff in Legion interviews has me thinking.

[Frontier]

I wouldn't say that. Kathy certainly had feeling for Jon that she didn't hide well (if at all), but Jon seemed to put her in the best bud club pretty fast. The last time they interacting during the Boyzarro story, Kathy calls Jon handsome, and he literally says "gag me with a spoon." Kathy was the one who was jealous of when Jon helped Nobody pick up her books. Kathy was the one who proclaimed that she felt safe with Jon, and even went in to hold his hand. Jon was passively or actively brushing all of these obvious advances

Boys can be dense, as they say .

[Superlad93]

Boys can be dense, as they say .

That's totally an interpenetration that I fully acknowledge, but the fact still stands that the kid's sexuality is still undefined as of now.

[manwhohaseverything]

I wouldn't say that. Kathy certainly had feeling for Jon that she didn't hide well (if at all), but Jon seemed to put her in the best bud club pretty fast. The last time they interacting during the Boyzarro story, Kathy calls Jon handsome, and he literally says "gag me with a spoon." Kathy was the one who was jealous of when Jon helped Nobody pick up her books. Kathy was the one who proclaimed that she felt safe with Jon, and even went in to hold his hand. Jon was passively or actively brushing all of these obvious advances

I'm intrested in seeing how Bendis handles sexuality in the 31st century too. It's mainstream comics, so I'm not expecting anything too ham, but the way he's worded some stuff in Legion interviews has me thinking.

That's what i am dreading. They are going to shove him into some girl or boy drama. Let the kid be single.I am with you that jon was in the stage of development were he thought girls meant cooties or something.

[Superlad93]

That's what i am dreading. They are going to shove him into some girl or boy drama. Let the kid be single.I am with you that jon was in the stage of development were he thought girls meant cooties or something.

I don't think he thought girls meant "cooties" or something. That's a pretty antiquated way of thinking, I feel. But for whatever reason--be it that he specifically didn't have feelings for Kathy, or having feeling for anyone just wasn't on his mind, or maybe he hadn't discovered his sexuality yet-- he didn't return any romantic advances made on him as a kid.

Yours or anyone else's personal feelings on Jon being shown as a sexual being are your own, and should be respected for what they are. Period. But I think it's worth pointing out that he is already 17. The ship has sailed. The vast majority of people on this planet are sexual beings in one way or another, and even in the DCU his contemporaries (Damian and Wallace) have been shown to clearly be coming into their sexuality, so it would be odd for any writer to just not tackle that aspect of him in one way or another.

[Myskin]

Yeah I don’t agree with Myskin at all, Johns always had clearly separate voices for Barry and Wally imo.

I read Mark Waid's run while it was being published and the differences between THAT run (which many people consider the definitive run to define Wally West-Flash as a character) and Johns' run, which followed, are deep. Wally's identity was public, and this played a fundamental role in several stories. Also, the rogues almost didn't appear (they played a minor role in Underworld Unleashed as far as I remember, and only to be killed). There was only one rogue, Kadabra, who for some reason had basically become Wally's archnemesis. Wally didn't even have a Zoom, unless you count Savitar, who was a distinctive character on his own account and had relatively no connections to Eobard Thawne. Two rogues - The Pied Piper and the Trickster - had become heroes (as far as I remember, Pied Piper's redemption had happened before Waid, while The Trickster redeemed himself during Underworld Unleashed).

All of these features - which were the elements which made Wally a distinct, unique character in comparison to Barry - were nullified during Johns' run. The rogues came back, a new Zoom appeared, James Jesse became evil again (at the end of the run, during Rogues War) and also Pied Piper became a fugitive again, even if in his case it was because he had been falsely accused. Johns also made Wally the father of a pair of twins, in what I have always considered a nod to the Tornado Twins, Barry Allen's kids. But the biggest twist was that he gave Wally West the secret identity back One More Day style (courtesy of Hal Jordan-The Spectre). I have nothing against Johns' run, it is enjoyable and everything, but to my eyes (and not only mine) it has always been clear that he restored many of Barry's most familiar elements even if the main Flash was Wally.

[Robanker]

Eh I think he clearly had feelings for Kathy at least in Tomasi’s Superman run. Doesn’t stop him from being bi though. I am wondering how Bendis will handle 31st century sexuality.

I'm hoping it's just very much "you like who you like and that's cool." Total acceptance. I really detest when the future is that everyone is pan or something because, ultimately, it supposes that one sexual identity is more enlightened than others and that's a pretty shitty way of trying to enforce the idea that only one orientation is correct, albeit in a complete different direction from history's record.

In an idyllic 31st century, everyone should just be groovy, not the same.

As for Jon, ehhh. Kathy certainly liked him but Jon seemed uninterested in all things romantic. I didn't take his statement as Kathy not being on Jon's radar so much as, well, him not even having one. I think Jon's sexuality would be kind of a mess. Didn't he spend years locked away in isolation? All that time going through puberty on his own with nothing but memories he'd have to retrofit into providing some sense of stimulation, and even then please god no. He'd be confused, certainly. If anything, his time in the 31st century would be a great place to explore what he feels and for who, if anything at all! Bendis, however, does make me feel uneasy over this considering the last time he had someone embrace their sexuality with a telepath on the team, it was less their decision and more the telepath telling them "you're gay. Own it because this conversation isn't stopping until you do. This isn't your choice, it's mine. I'm forcing you to come out of the closet because I can read your mind."

Whatever it is, Jon needs to do this himself.

[manwhohaseverything]

I don't think he thought girls meant "cooties" or something. That's a pretty antiquated way of thinking, I feel. But for whatever reason--be it that he specifically didn't have feelings for Kathy, or having feeling for anyone just wasn't on his mind, or maybe he hadn't discovered his sexuality yet-- he didn't return any romantic advances made on him as a kid.

Yours or anyone else's personal feelings on Jon being shown as a sexual being are your own, and should be respected for what they are. Period. But I think it's worth pointing out that he is already 17. The ship has sailed. The vast majority of people on this planet are sexual beings in one way or another, and even in the DCU his contemporaries (Damian and Wallace) have been shown to clearly be coming into their sexuality, so it would be odd for any writer to just not tackle that aspect of him in one way or another.

All i meant, was that he thought romance was yucky business or he was clueless .
He is 17. but, he was 10 just issues ago. And the connective tissues haven't exactly been great. Both teen jokes with jon and lois fell flat for me. It just ain't for me. I would appreciate it if they let jon be just a fun character Like goku or vegeta. I mean, dbz has minimal teen nonsense. Pairings and other things are never the focus or given any attention. Pairing nonsense and cw type teen drama is the last thing i want from the character.

I want to see more of this jon himself before any kind of other nonsense. It been like 4 OR 5 issues. Yet, They haven't established the character yet.we barely know the character. I haven't gotten any cool attributes of the character. His backstory on earth 3 is barely fleshed out.I hope legion is some cw type teen drama cause that would be a big turn off. I hope it's more like my hero academia or one piece or something.i want their to be no to minimal focus on those kind of things.just focus on action, adventure, sci-fi and great world building

[DragonPiece]

If Bendis is already expecting Jon to go through another revamp soon, I could see him ignoring Jon getting into any relationships in his Legion run. It's not like he'll be short on characters who could get into relationships and fill that part of the book.

[Myskin]

(already posted elsewhere).

Well, provided that it is not just a new imprint like the good old MC2 reality (the one with Spider-Girl/May Parker), I'd say that it could be a pretty ballsy move IF they are doing it well, as in trying to incorporate the ENTIRE universe into one recognizable timeline with reference to real events like WWII. I am not saying that I'll like it or even read it. I am just curious that the same house who gave us New52 now is basically following the opposite premise, thus making the DCU a legacyverse in its entirety.

I doubt that it will last more than one year (I mean, as soon as the JJ Abramverse happens they will go back to the classic DCU). However, it is interesting how both DCU and Marvel (as far as I know) are following a direction which reminds me of the Archieverse: not classic line-wide events, but rather completely creative approaches for an entire universe which keeps being relaunched under different "names".

I wonder how long the classic format can support this type of approach; to me, it is a confirmation that they are going towards the single one-shots à la Black Label (and personally speaking, I ma looking forward to it).

P.S. I also wonder how much it has to do with the characters falling into Public Domain in the next years. But maybe it's just me.