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    Quote Originally Posted by jphamlore View Post
    Is this any worse than killing a clone causes that body to disintegrate versus just being a regular dead body?
    Actually cellular degeneration in cloning is real. Many cloned animals have had muscle deterioration. Their bodies just get weak and fall about. They don't melt into a puddle of goo, but they do eventually simply eat away from the inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daggdag View Post
    That would not cause him to age faster.

    he does not look "a bit" older. He looks like he's in his 90's, which he would be, if he had aged normally.
    why are people arguing that fictional serum is not working the way they want it to? It does what it does. If it makes people feel better balme the removal process for the aging. End of the day it does not matter he is old now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harpoon View Post
    Freezing in the arctic sea =/= cryogenic suspension. Most people who fall into the arctic sea aren't conveniently preserved by the cold--it kills them instead.

    The serum being responsible for stopping his aging, not the ice, makes a lot more sense.
    There's plenty of fiction about people or animals being surviving being naturally frozen. This would not be the only one. It could easily be explained that the serum allowed him to survive. the impact of the water and being frozen.

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    This bugs me more and more with every issue. Regardless of what effects the Super Soldier serum have, being frozen is what kept him young for all those years. The whole reason Bucky (who is super soldier serum-free) is still so young is that the Russians would put freeze him after each mission so that he had very little time out in the world in which to age. Cap was frozen at around 25, its seems to have been about 10 years in comic time since he was thawed and he spent another 10 in Dimension Z so he should be mid-40s tops....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harpoon View Post
    Springing up, alive and well, however is definitely made-up science. That's not what being preserved in ice means, he'd still be a corpse after the ice came off, and that's why I find it a lot sillier. It's not like if he was drifting through space, the ice that would form around his body would somehow keep him alive. At least the super drugs are pseudo-science-y enough to allow this kind of stuff.
    Actually, Steve should have died from the ice. Hypothermia. I forget where I read it, but it was posited some time ago that the SSS is what kept him alive while he was on ice and deprived of oxygen. Suspended animation sounds nice in comics, but I can assure you that if your brain, cells, skin tissue, etc., don't get enough oxygen or even vitamin D from the sun, there will be adverse effects on the human body. Even a peak human body. The SSS was more or less the panacea for all of those potential ailments.

    As for an explanation from a medical standpoint, there have been theories proposed that the brain and many of the body's cells have a prescribed shelf life that is encoded into our very DNA. At some point the body will automatically start to break down once that process is triggered. My hunch is that the SSS was the only thing forestalling that process by blocking the synapse between the brain/cell lifecycle timer and the ageing trigger. If so, then it's easy to see why Steve is getting old so rapidly. If his cells had their own internal life cycle timer, then the period that he was in suspended animation would still be taken into account by that internal clock. The time that he spent in another universe would also be taken into account. Stripping Steve of the SSS, however, would remove the one impediment between the life cycle clock and the deterioration trigger...and by this point, I'm betting the life cycle timer would be screaming in full throat to start the cellular deterioration. About as loudly as the Tunguska meteor exploding in your ear canal.


    The reason why humans aren't immortal isn't because our organs and cells don't want to continue on, it's because our bodies dictate that our time is finite.
    Last edited by JudicatorPrime; 09-04-2014 at 09:39 PM.

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