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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastieRunner View Post
    I've seen this pop up twice in this thread now.

    What was gross in Batman Returns?
    Pretty much everything to do with the Penguin.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AJBopp View Post
    Kind of depends on what you mean by "damage," but if we take it to mean "what prevented good superhero films from even being attempted" then I would go with Raiders Of The Lost Ark. It led the way to a 20 year domination of action/adventure movies with Arnold and Sylvester and Eddie and Bruce and Mel...on and on. More importantly, they showed studios that you could make these kinds of movies without the risk of putting "long underwear characters" on the screen for which, outside of two universally recognized characters, there was no precedent for success for.
    That's a really interesting idea. In some ways, we're still seeing the effect. I can see how much of the MCU has more in common with the sensibilities of Indiana Jones or Underworld than it does with Rami's Spider-Man or Burton's Batman, which seemed more faithful adaptions of their source material than the current MCU.

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    I'm going to go with the first X-Men film... they got it so wrong, and still haven't rebooted... X-2 wasn't bad, in the universe that FOX created, but it still wasn't right... the third one was an abomination... then, rather than reboot with the original 5, they kept the same framework with X-Men First Class... It totally screwed with any future possibility of Emma Frost.... DoFP was all about Wolverine instead of Kitty (like it should have been)... and Apocalypse was terrible...

    Not to mention --in keeping with the failures of Elektra/Catwoman shaking studio comfidence in female leads... the FOX/X-men universe completely ruined Kitty Pryde, Storm and Rogue

    and while Deadpool and Logan were both terrific... the former was something that only got made because of leaked footage... and the latter because of Deadpool's R-rated success... basically, they were accidents...... and that's also not to mention how --on the heels of good box office-- FOX wrecked the Fantastic Four

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    Batman Forever. It was the first Batman flick to return to that silly 1960s BANG! POW! TV show.

    Man of Steel. 1978 - you'll believe a man can fly. Now it was "you'll believe a motherfreakinalien will fk things up". I love destruction porn, baby!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starter Set View Post
    I think that there just was a great dichotomy between what people wanted Batman to be in movie and what movie studios were given them.

    I mean, Batman the animated series started in 1992 and lasted till 1995 and enjoyed the success we know. An ultra campy version wasn't what people wanted i think in 1997.
    Batman the Animated series was revived only a couple years later and had direct to video movies coming out as late as 2003. I feel that when Batman and Robin incorporated Nora Fries into Victor's backstory, they took the wrong message from what BTAS was trying to send.

    Quote Originally Posted by BeastieRunner View Post
    Character wise? Superman IV set Superman pretty far back, worse than Forever did Batman. We got a new Batman in a faster time-frame than a new Superman.
    I'm glad you brought that up because character wise, I'd actually say Green Lantern. And I say that as someone who enjoyed the Green Lantern movie. The problem was not only did its poor reception hurt the animated series (where Sinestro was only in one episode!), but it also made the character a low priority in the DCEU. I can understand a Justice League movie without Martian Manhunter, but one where Cyborg is essential and Green Lantern isn't? Green Lantern (2011), I blame you!

    Quote Originally Posted by sunofdarkchild View Post
    Batman Forever had campy villains, but it treated its heroes seriously outside of a few very cringy lines. It delved into Batman's psyche in a way no film had before and had a Robin obsessed with committing murder. And even with the neon lights it was overall very dark visually. The most interesting thing about Forever is that it was originally much darker than the final product. A number of scenes were cut that would have drastically changed the movie. They shot an alternate opening in Arkham, had additional scenes explaining that being Batman is Bruce punishing himself, and a scene showing what he is punishing himself for. Had that last scene been left in the whole movie would have come together and the title would have made much more sense. That scene in particular baffles me as to why they left it out. And lest we forget, Batman Returns already had some truly terrible dialogue and ridiculous camp like the army of penguins with rockets on their backs, in addition to being gross a lot of the time.
    Props to Batman Forever for actually giving us some more insight into Batman's origin as well. Is there a way to watch these cut scenes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 90'sCartoonMan View Post

    Props to Batman Forever for actually giving us some more insight into Batman's origin as well. Is there a way to watch these cut scenes?
    The "Batman Forever" scene.

    Arkham Footage

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunofdarkchild View Post
    Pretty much everything to do with the Penguin.

    I didn't think he was that Gross at all I mean he eats raw fish and bites a guys 👃 iv seen worse.....

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    X-Men 3 in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martini Sigil View Post
    I'm going to go with the first X-Men film... they got it so wrong, and still haven't rebooted... X-2 wasn't bad, in the universe that FOX created, but it still wasn't right... the third one was an abomination... then, rather than reboot with the original 5, they kept the same framework with X-Men First Class... It totally screwed with any future possibility of Emma Frost.... DoFP was all about Wolverine instead of Kitty (like it should have been)... and Apocalypse was terrible...

    Not to mention --in keeping with the failures of Elektra/Catwoman shaking studio comfidence in female leads... the FOX/X-men universe completely ruined Kitty Pryde, Storm and Rogue

    and while Deadpool and Logan were both terrific... the former was something that only got made because of leaked footage... and the latter because of Deadpool's R-rated success... basically, they were accidents...... and that's also not to mention how --on the heels of good box office-- FOX wrecked the Fantastic Four
    Yep, agreed here. As much as the teenager me liked the fact that they made an X-Men movie...it was just all wrong and I really do loathe Singer for his stain on my favorite comic book heroes.

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    Howard the Duck did the most damaged. It's only claim to fame is that it was a tremendous failure & embarrassment.

    Elektra? What is that?

    Catwoman? Oh, there was a Catwoman movie? Who was in it? Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOLGO 13 View Post
    Howard the Duck did the most damaged. It's only claim to fame is that it was a tremendous failure & embarrassment.

    Elektra? What is that?

    Catwoman? Oh, there was a Catwoman movie? Who was in it? Really?
    But most people don't even know Howard was a Marvel character and they don't associate it with superheroes. They consider it a rare Lucas/ Spielberg failure.
    Superman was a beacon to the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 90'sCartoonMan View Post
    I'm glad you brought that up because character wise, I'd actually say Green Lantern. And I say that as someone who enjoyed the Green Lantern movie. The problem was not only did its poor reception hurt the animated series (where Sinestro was only in one episode!), but it also made the character a low priority in the DCEU. I can understand a Justice League movie without Martian Manhunter, but one where Cyborg is essential and Green Lantern isn't? Green Lantern (2011), I blame you!
    Oh, yeah! That's a good point. I'm a GL fan and I forgot about that. I guess we're still in a better time-frame than Superman but in another year or so the Reynolds GL will be about as far out as the start of Lois & Clark. So unless GL shows up in something major in the next 18 months, I think you're right.

    Quote Originally Posted by choptop View Post
    I didn't think he was that Gross at all I mean he eats raw fish and bites a guys �� iv seen worse.....
    He also copped a feel on all the young ladies. I watch the movie the other day and saw that. Totally missed that in my younger days!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Username taken View Post
    Definitely Batman and Robin.

    It wasn't a commercial failure but it pretty much turned the whole superhero movie thing toxic for a good long while.
    Did it though? The original X-Men went into production just a couple of years later and Blade was still around.

    I think nothing can compare to the damage Catwoman and Elektra did to women superhero films.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerboy View Post
    But most people don't even know Howard was a Marvel character and they don't associate it with superheroes. They consider it a rare Lucas/ Spielberg failure.
    Just Lucas. Spielberg was not involved on any level at all.

    It seems like, except for the obvious exception, most of the stuff Lucas tries on his own falls flat on its face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carabas View Post
    Just Lucas. Spielberg was not involved on any level at all.

    It seems like, except for the obvious exception, most of the stuff Lucas tries on his own falls flat on its face.
    Yeah, Star Wars is such a huge failure.

    Or is American Graffiti.

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