X-Men Red #1 Spoilers and Review

[Heroine Addict]

I agree, this reminds me of what Jean and Xavier were doing with the X-corporation. Having Xmen offices and teams in major cities around the world, all equipped with cerebro units and Xjets. Able to locate any mutant in trouble as soon as they think "X".

With Xavier and Jean traveling around the globe to personally supervise the teams (led to some great scenarios, like meeting fantomex, dust, and Xavier and Jean dealing with suicide bombers on a plane).

Honestly, that's what the Xmen return to. Different X offices on the different continents, each having atleast 3 teams of trained Xmen (so we can have a rotating cast of extras), not just all the reams working in new York and living in the same mansion.

Glad to hear we're on the same page, Del torro, and I echo your sentiments as well. I'm not readily seeing where they:

... were ever recognized and/or sanctioned officially, tho... anybody know for sure?

Find it curious, if they weren't, in that it makes Jean's proposition all that much more enticing.

[Wiccan]

I just realized this book would work so much better if Storm had been used in Jean’s place. Like from every angle.

I never saw Storm as much of the ativist/politic/PR type. That has always been more of a Jean/Kitty thing. I think their positions on Red and Gold both make complete sense for their characters. I still think Gold is terrible as a whole, but I feel like the more politic part is the one good thing about it, though still a bit unexplored.

[yogaflame]

The US also sends aid to a slew of Muslim countries. It is just spread out across several countries because Muslims have more countries than Jews. The fact is Muslims are largely to blame for the state of Palestinians. They were offered a 2 state solution after WWII just like Israel. Jews took the offer while the Muslims controlling the Palestinian contingent declined because they wanted to drive Israel back into the sea. They then lost several wars and each time they did, Israel took more land which is what generally happens when you lose a war.

This is not to say Israel is not guilty of various crimes and atrocities. This is to say the Muslims including the Palestinians are as well and they are the impetus for the conflict. There won't be peace until both sides can acknowledge their respective crimes and misdeeds.

Let's not pretend that the whole thing wasn't a game of the colonial powers to begin with(particularly the British, who previously owned Palestine prior to the creation of Israel). There won't be peace until they both realize they are both Abrahamic faiths from the same source and at the end of the day their primary differences come down to greed and tribalism, not some divine crusade.

Oh, and Israel gets a huge, disproportionate amount of military aid, relative to population/square footage, compared to any other country. While Iraq and Afghanistan do get more than Israel, it is only because they are active war zones(that we initiated)!!

[DDM]

X-Corp was just local X-Men offices. Storm’s X.S.E. actually comes closer as that was a mutant oriented police unit with a global U.N. mandate over national jurisdictions.

Again, Red would’ve worked so much better with Storm heading it.

[jmc247]

I never saw Storm as much of the ativist/politic/PR type. That has always been more of a Jean/Kitty thing. I think their positions on Red and Gold both make complete sense for their characters. I still think Gold is terrible as a whole, but I feel like the more politic part is the one good thing about it, though still a bit unexplored.

You have some of the most historically politically activist players right now sitting in Blue. It will be interesting to see how they regard these events.

[Malachi]

I’m fairly sure he was talking about radicals like Linda Sarsour, Louis Farrakhan, and Noam Chomsky. Like David Duke, Richard Spencer, and Pat Buchanan on the other side. We aren’t talking about typical democrats and republicans. These are the extremists. And holding Israel to a different standard than any other democratic country is by definition antisemitism.

https://2009-2017.state.gov/j/drl/rl...010/122352.htm

Yes but I live in one of the most socialist countries in the world and I thought about the people I know who are considered extreme/hardcore or whatever word you use. If you want to limit it to a a select amount of people, who might be profilic but still only count as a few, then we aren't talking about the masses any longer but the work of a few. I'm talking about generalising a lot of people based on either limited knowledge, faulty knowledge or based on a select few. I know many people who anyone in USA would consider extreme-left. They have no problems with jews. Does antisemitism still exist in society? Yes of course but it can't be neatly wrapped and categorised into such things as that a certain ideology taken to an "extreme" length would automaticly move you towards antisemitism.

Who said anything about holding Israel to another standard? You dislike a country because of what it does, not based on if their population is jewish or non jewish. It's the same with Qatar. Any dislike against them from "left people" has nothing to do with them being muslisms or not. It's about the inhumane conditions that workers, women suffer there.

If Noah Chomsky is antisemitic I would assume it's due to different reasons then him being left-extreme.

*For reference I have no greater knowledge about any of the 6 persons you listed.*

[yogaflame]

I just realized this book would work so much better if Storm had been used in Jean’s place. Like from every angle.

Having Jean broker deals with the UN, Namor and T'Challa, is like, soo Storm! And the idea that Jean didn't even invite her along is ridiculous. It's not like she's doing anything over there in Gold, and Storm already has relations with the UN Security Council from her XSE days, and was a head of state like a year ago, Marvel-time.

[Fokken]

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And then, a HERO stepped forward.
Thanks Heroine Addict.

[Heroine Addict]

... Storm’s X.S.E. actually comes closer as that was a mutant oriented police unit with a global U.N. mandate over national jurisdictions. ...

This X.S.E.? 'Cause it sounds different than the one you're describing.

[DDM]

This X.S.E.? 'Cause it sounds different than the one you're describing.

That’s because it is different from the one I’m describing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Trem...ions_Executive

[yogaflame]

This X.S.E.? 'Cause it sounds different than the one you're describing.

In X-Treme X-Men, Claremont's Storm brokered a deal with the UN Security Council representatives at the Bush ranch that created the X-Treme Sanctions Executive, the XSE, which would technically be the precursor to the Xavier Security Enforcers in Bishops's time some 60-80 years hence. It was basically a globally sanctioned X-team that would police the world's burgeoning mutant population across the globe. Of course, House of M's Decimation basically rendered the idea mute(as did the wedding to T'Challa), so that idea never got to run its course(much like X-Corporation, which was another great idea from that era put on hold by No More Mutants), and it was shelved just a couple arcs after its inception.

[Heroine Addict]

And then, a HERO stepped forward.
Thanks Heroine Addict.

You are too kind, Monsieur Fokken, and believe me... it was ALL, my pleasure! The Sub-Mariner's MANcandy like no other, NO DOUBT!!

[DDM]

I never saw Storm as much of the ativist/politic/PR type. That has always been more of a Jean/Kitty thing. I think their positions on Red and Gold both make complete sense for their characters. I still think Gold is terrible as a whole, but I feel like the more politic part is the one good thing about it, though still a bit unexplored.

I strongly disagree, Storm has literally been a head of state and actually worked with the UN. The most Jean or Kitty ever really did was pretend they were Xavier.

[DDM]

Having Jean broker deals with the UN, Namor and T'Challa, is like, soo Storm! And the idea that Jean didn't even invite her along is ridiculous. It's not like she's doing anything over there in Gold, and Storm already has relations with the UN Security Council from her XSE days, and was a head of state like a year ago, Marvel-time.

Forget Jean inviting Storm, it should be King Ororo running this with her +1 redhead arm candy sitting by her side.

[Heroine Addict]

That’s because it is different from the one I’m describing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Trem...ions_Executive

In X-Treme X-Men, Claremont's Storm brokered a deal with the UN Security Council representatives at the Bush ranch that created the X-Treme Sanctions Executive, the XSE, which would technically be the precursor to the Xavier Security Enforcers in Bishops's time some 60-80 years hence. It was basically a globally sanctioned X-team that would police the world's burgeoning mutant population across the globe. Of course, House of M's Decimation basically rendered the idea mute(as did the wedding to T'Challa), so that idea never got to run its course(much like X-Corporation, which was another great idea from that era put on hold by No More Mutants), and it was shelved just a couple arcs after its inception.

Gotcha, thank you both. Since we don't really know the details yet of what Jean''s proposing (in its entirety), not sure if it's eXactly the same as the former X-Corp OR Storm's initial, X.S.E. iteration, TBH. Similarities are to be found, sure, but that's to be eXpected. So I will remain unconvinced & the jury's still out, I guess, 'til we learn more.