Originally Posted by
Heavunion
The Joker, Mr.Freeze, Scarecrow, Bane or Two-Face are more popular than Ivy or at least it would seem to me. She's someone who have her use in Batman's rogues gallery but she is not important to the point you can't think of Batman without her and that's why she should stay as a villain, because this is where she have her use because otherwise, she doesn't have a lot to do in Batman book. And unlike the mutants who are a big part of the Marvel Universe that you can't do without, plants aren't a major element of DC
As for Harley and Ivy as a package deal, that's wrong. The arguable lead-appeal of Suicide Squad is Harley Quinn who is without Ivy. Harley Quinn comic-book is simply called Harley Quinn instead of Harley & Ivy as for the movie, it's only being done because Harley is popular and they wanted to do a movie with her. Maybe in the beginning, Ivy was the more popular but in the last few years, Harley's popularity got crazy and Ivy is behind her
It's not about the quality of the movie but about the reception of the movie. Killmonger is one name who became popular lately, not because of how good Black Panther was but because of how people reacted to his character and the fact that they really liked him... Which did not happen to Hela as when people came out of Ragnarok, she wasn't one of the things people talked about when praising the movie, she was more of an afterthought
But she is Wonder Woman's most iconic villain as it stands. It's not about who it should be but who have that connection. Maybe it can change in the future but not all villains are worthy. Joker is just a guy who can make plans or even Lex is nothing but a rich guy but they were iconic so the writers gave them great storylines to turn them into villains you can believe in. That is Cheetah's role, she have to be someone who goes against Diana as her most iconic villain and would've gained more from fighting Wonder Woman in a epic storyline by Greg Rucka than having a great background and writers not as good writing her actual conrontations
And those stand-out because she rejected her human side, became a villain and so, it is surprising for someone evil to still be able to feel emotions for other humans. It adds depth to her character because this is not something she usually do like Aquaman, for her to care like this implies a strong connection and makes it even more memorable. If she start caring about everyone like Aquaman, you lose those nuances and what was special becomes normal
That would be like making Mr.Freeze a good guy, who cares for more people than Nora and start taking the pain of other people on his shoulders. While that would be interesting, you would lose some of what makes his tragedy good, his connection with Nora becomes less special without the contrast and the character is less interesting.
What makes Ivy interesting isn't that she can love Harley and that she can care for children, it is that she does that despite being capable of the worst evil on others, that this must require incredibly amount of love which makes it lovely