Detective Comics #975 preview

[The tall man]

People are calling out Bruce as a hypocrite because he doesn't enforce his no kill rule. But I wonder what those same people would say if he did? If Batman took down everyone of the bat family who has killed "and we know he easily could" what would fans of those characters be saying then. They would be condemning Bruce, calling him a bully and tyrant. So I find it funny that people call Batman a hypocrite when they would be mad if he did what they call him out for not doing. The guy can't win, damned if he does dammed if he doesn't.

[JBatmanFan05]

So I find it funny that people call Batman a hypocrite when they would be mad if he did what they call him out for not doing.

Yea, it never sat well with me that'd Batman didn't go all out to, for example, arrest killer Jason and etc. I've kinda had to make my own head canon on stuff like that.

[CPSparkles]

People are calling out Bruce as a hypocrite because he doesn't enforce his no kill rule. But I wonder what those same people would say if he did? If Batman took down everyone of the bat family who has killed "and we know he easily could" what would fans of those characters be saying then. They would be condemning Bruce, calling him a bully and tyrant. So I find it funny that people call Batman a hypocrite when they would be mad if he did what they call him out for not doing. The guy can't win, damned if he does dammed if he doesn't.

Maybe the writers shouldn't have family members kill. Maybe Batman shouldn't cuddle up to criminals but he's been doing that for a while now.
Blame the writers who make him into a hypocrite don't blame fans who call out the massive problems with the character.

this story was written by a writer who knows about Jason about Damian and about Batman's one rule. But he chose to make Bruce a hypocrite. Fans are right to call it out.

[JBatmanFan05]

Maybe the writers shouldn't have family members kill.

I definitely blame DC editorial and the writers first and foremost.

[millernumber1]

Maybe the writers shouldn't have family members kill. Maybe Batman shouldn't cuddle up to criminals but he's been doing that for a while now.
Blame the writers who make him into a hypocrite don't blame fans who call out the massive problems with the character.

this story was written by a writer who knows about Jason about Damian and about Batman's one rule. But he chose to make Bruce a hypocrite. Fans are right to call it out.

I think it's pretty premature to say that Tynion is making Bruce a hypocrite after only reading a couple of pages of a longer than normal issue.

[Chubistian]

But would Red Hood fans be pleased if he remained an enemy of Batman? He was full brutal when he was a villain, even killing some hospital guards once

[Aioros22]

Yea, it never sat well with me that'd Batman didn't go all out to, for example, arrest killer Jason and etc. I've kinda had to make my own head canon on stuff like that.

He eventually does but the fact he had issues is what makes the story humane and well done. A Batman going "all out" as if this antagonist is not such a personal matter to him is the sort of things that contribute to the Batgod myth.

Batman is not a robot.

[Aioros22]

People are calling out Bruce as a hypocrite because he doesn't enforce his no kill rule. But I wonder what those same people would say if he did? If Batman took down everyone of the bat family who has killed "and we know he easily could" what would fans of those characters be saying then. They would be condemning Bruce, calling him a bully and tyrant. So I find it funny that people call Batman a hypocrite when they would be mad if he did what they call him out for not doing. The guy can't win, damned if he does dammed if he doesn't.

He`s enforcing the rule in this story.

This isn`t new territory. The things that supposely makes it work is how you approach Clayface as opposed to Kate or Bruce. We will know how it goes in the end.

"We know he easily could", well, no. We don`t, but that`s another topic.

[JBatmanFan05]

He eventually does but the fact he had issues is what makes the story humane and well done. A Batman going "all out" as if this antagonist is not such a personal matter to him is the sort of things that contribute to the Batgod myth.

Batman is not a robot.

I wasn't implying that a writer couldn't do the personal aspect or that Batman is a robot. But of course, many readers might have a hard time with Batman delaying too much while a killer walks free on the streets out there. Personal matter or not, Batman proceeds on things.

[Aioros22]

Hmm. That's not how I read it, but I wasn't necessarily reading super closely. Did Bruce actually say "you can kill if necessary"? And also importantly, has Jason actually killed anyone since the start of Rebirth (or the n52)?

Bruce vouches Jason because of who he is and what he has gone throught, whose experiences are sort of unique among the cast. Basicallly, he`s a wild-card. Bruce trusts Jason to not go all Darth Sith because he`s proven he manages to keep it in check and his goal isn`t twisted or evil. On the other hand, he also knows that in certain situations, he will do what is necessary if nothing else works.

The key string in the relationship is that whereas Bruce will always have an eye on him Jason has proven the ability and desire to overcome his past - with or without Batman.

He`s killed a group of cybernetic mercenaries known as the Iron Rule when they went awol in the streets. That`s the action that propels him to cut ties with Roy so he wouldn`t get tainted by what he did.

[Aioros22]

I wasn't implying that a writer couldn't do the personal aspect or that Batman is a robot. But of course, many readers might have a hard time with Batman delaying too much while a killer walks free on the streets out there. Personal matter or not, Batman proceeds on things.

I don`t think he even delayed it much. A good section of the story is him trying to assert the legitimity of Jason actually having returned from the dead, so of course, past that point, we either see him either being played around the city in a cat and mouse game by Jason and trying to get his emotions in check regarding someone, whom for all his qualities and faults, is one of his sons. Likely a filler issue or two in between but nothing drastic or uncharacteristic.

It`s very much a Batman with a Bronze Age quality. He`s got his resolve and won`t betray his code but his family aren`t merely numbers.

[Oberon]

chilling, indeed.

Last year I read the first TPB of "The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina the Witch" and the art and the vibe of this *so* remind me of that...

[Oberon]

I live for that kind of stuff, I'll have you know. The secrets, the past, back-story, etc.

[Oberon]

Tell it, Caivu!

[Oberon]

The flashback scene builds on Elegy and other previous sources that show how driven of a character Kate can and would be. WE all change, grow, learn, adapt - - EVOLVE.

While this scene showed that Kate had the capacity to be very revengeful, I have no problem balancing it against the Kate she became.