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    Just read Rosenberg's two Secret Warrior trades and I would neither share the extremely bad reviews nor the praise for the humoristic elements.

    I bought it because it had some rarely seen X characters in the first trade and the second trade followed the Dark Beast / Mr Sinister storyline.

    First of all I am not sure about this one: what does it say that we praise authors for giving us some panels with long missed characters (here: X-Factor) but in fact, after reading the issues barely a week ago, I have a hard time remembering if anything substantial happened to them or even if the issues added some value to the overall Secret Empire event. But maybe that is all we can hope for when it comes to some X characters nowadays.

    So what I really did not like: on the one hand you have this gritty elements (torture of prisoners for a "good cause"), guerilla warfare and Daisy's military tactics, and then on the other hand you throw in Moon-Girl and the dialogue suddenly changes from dark and depressed to this feels like it was written for 8 year olds. Please note that I am not a fan of the Inhuman characters at all so this might explain my negative feeling towards the very forced team jokes, team bonding, etc.

    The lesser said about this modern version of Mr. Sinister the better. I mean sure Essex oftentimes has a really dark humor and all but he is being used as a clown here and all his SINISTER schemes and plans are barely noteworthy. To me Sinister is the most evil, one of the deadliest and 100 % barely to beat in the long game villain the X-Men have and Rosenberg gives us this abomination.

    What I liked: Rosenberg used Magic really well I would say. Some jokes did not fall flat but really klicked here and to contribute to the Mulitple Man debate: I can see it working in his book.

    No Layla: I do not know what to say, just you have a character that was introduced in the major event book of the past decade (House of M anybody?) and than you have a run that built up their relationship in literally dozends and dozends of issues and then you let her husband die and she is not even at his funereal and know she is not to be used in his own resurrection mini series. Sounds right. Totally right.

    In the end: give me some Siryn panels in the mini series and I will praise it as the best X mini in 20 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_Murdock View Post
    OK, to each its own. I thought it was a charming book with some very effective humor that would work well in a Multiple Man book.
    The characterizations of heroes and villains were absurdly disgusting. This is especially true of Sinister and Dark Beast in the last arc, which were horrible to the point they should be non-canonical. None of the characters really had any reason to be together. None of the plots were interesting. The humour was gratingly childish.
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    Oh, cool! I'm glad Madrox is back. I liked what Rosenberg said about raising his hand at a Marvel meeting to bring back Jamie Madrox because he really likes him, instead of a big intellectual answer. I really like the character too.

    I wonder why no Layla? Perhaps so she doesn't steal the spotlight?
    At least she didn't resurrect Jamie with no soul, that would be horrific.

    So when Jamie died, it says his dupes died with him. I wonder if that means the preacher dupe he didn't reabsorb died too. What was his name? John Madrox, maybe?

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    Terry owes Jamie nothing poolovision so it'd be best for her to not be in this series, the last thing that she needs to do is to show up just to make Jamie look good...again...

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    Rosenburg? Again? He must work for peanuts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zen View Post
    Oh, cool! I'm glad Madrox is back. I liked what Rosenberg said about raising his hand at a Marvel meeting to bring back Jamie Madrox because he really likes him, instead of a big intellectual answer. I really like the character too.
    Don't get your hopes too high. Rosenberg wrote an amazing "love letter" to Jean Grey. Yet, his Phoenix Resurrection mini was terrible, horribly paced and proved he didn't really get the character's legacy. Imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoganAlpha30X33 View Post
    Terry owes Jamie nothing poolovision so it'd be best for her to not be in this series, the last thing that she needs to do is to show up just to make Jamie look good...again...
    Maybe I should have been more clear here. It was a pun at me stating in the same post that I am highly unsure about these phenomena of giving almost forgotten characters we love a few panels and that I really do not know if this is just the best we can expect these days.

    Terry is the most important X women to me and the last time she had (new) panel time was back in 2014 when the last of this version of X-Factor trade hit the shelves (I guess the last issue she appeared in was published in 2013). On a side note: I even carry Zircher's version of her on my own skin.

    That being said: I see your point and I read it so many times in the last years that it really made in impact on my own stance towards Pad's use of Terry. It changed my perspective.

    Which brings me back to the initial thought: better to hope for a writer to rediscover her (even for cameo like appearances or worse "make other look good") or to stay in limbo? After more than four years my gut tells me that I am ready to clutch at straws.

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    I want Terry back in the X-books again I just feel that a book anything like PAD's X-Factor would be doing a disservice to her, she deserves to be in one of the main books doing something important as she's due...more so than many imho...and yeah I'd like she and Warpath together in said book and as a couple but that won't happen until he's off of Weapon X and Domino as he'd willingly follow Terry if she were one of the team leaders, something that she's always wanted, and not just because the team leader is gone for a bit...though since she's been used twice before to make Jamie look good I'd rather not see it happen a third time...

    As for Jamie I don't have a problem with him having an 11 issue or so book and having some characterization and all, preferably with Layla, just leave Terry clear out of it...

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    Haven't bought anything out the X-Office since Spurrier's run on Legacy finished, but I'll definitely give the first issue of this a shot.

    Not an artist or writer I'm overly familiar with, however, so it's nice to go in not really knowing what to expect!

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    Where is the interview that suggests Marvel wanting to do a new X-Factor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winghead View Post
    Where is the interview that suggests Marvel wanting to do a new X-Factor?
    From what I understand, Saladin Ahmed mentioned in some interview that he was initially asked to pitch for a new X-Factor book but it instead became the new Exiles book, which lead most people to believe that Marvel was giving X-Factor to another writer but they may have just shelved the book instead.

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    Return of Jean Grey, Prof X , Wolverine and Madrox.

    Who's next? Cyclops and Banshee?

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    Yayyy!! Guido is in the book. Iím hoping Rahne plays a part as well......super stoked about this one. The art looks fantastic!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zen View Post
    Oh, cool! I'm glad Madrox is back. I liked what Rosenberg said about raising his hand at a Marvel meeting to bring back Jamie Madrox because he really likes him, instead of a big intellectual answer. I really like the character too.
    That must've been the same criteria by which Marvel let him bring Jean back... and we all saw how that turned out.

    Hopefully next time they require a "big intellectual answer" before they give him any more toys to play with.
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