Thread Drift - Do you BELIEVE what Marvel Tells U About Character Ages?

[IdaqiBeauty]

It's simple. She was old, which is why they had to replace the old hag with a teenage version.

[vitruvian]

Even that represents a timeline that had slid somewhat, since Jean was not 7-8 years old when she joined the team.

[vitruvian]

Unfortunately for your agruements, 30+ year-old scans don't prove anything anymore. The world of comics is ruled by the retcon. Anything more recent becomes fact, even if it directly contradicts what has come before.

Well, in that case, we're back to FF fighting Galactus in 1966 according to this week's comics, and that retcons everything previous with the sliding timeline and the O5 younger than their sixties.

[Gray Lensman]

Well, in that case, we're back to FF fighting Galactus in 1966 according to this week's comics, and that retcons everything previous with the sliding timeline and the O5 younger than their sixties.

Meaning all superpowers have the side effect of the infinity formula!

[616MarvelYear is LeapYear]

Even that represents a timeline that had slid somewhat, since Jean was not 7-8 years old when she joined the team.

The above is extremely easy to me. Above is the marvel year 1956. This is somehow equivalent to the real-time year 1947 since Marvel Girl was 16 in real-time year 1963 when The X-Men issue 1 made its debut.

[IdaqiBeauty]

Marvel really needs to straighten this out. smdh

[Darth Kal-el]

To me as ridiculous as it seems they have with ASM 1 their biggest book of the year. By writing 13 years ago they put the whole age of superheroes into a 14 year timeline

[IdaqiBeauty]

No i don't think so. The X-Men are not subordinated to nonsense stipulated in Spider-Man books. X-Men > Spider-Man

[vitruvian]

The above is extremely easy to me. Above is the marvel year 1956. This is somehow equivalent to the real-time year 1947 since Marvel Girl was 16 in real-time year 1963 when The X-Men issue 1 made its debut.

Yes, Marvel year 1956, and we saw in Schism #3 that the original X-Men were together in Marvel year... 1963. And even if we don't take Schism as evidence, this week's All-New X-Men Annual shows the FF fighting Galactus in Marvel year 1966, when Jean would have been 10 years old,and the original X-Men interacted with the FF prior to the coming of Galactus. So, if we stick with 1956, then as of this week that makes Jean younger than 10 when she joined. Oops!

Or put another way, if Jean was born in MU 1956 and was 16 when she joined the X-Men, that can't have taken place before MU 1972. Since the X-Men were around before Galactus fought the FF, and this week's comics show that happening in 1966, 1956 no longer works for Jean's birth year.

[616MarvelYear is LeapYear]

Yes, Marvel year 1956, and we saw in Schism #3 that the original X-Men were together in Marvel year... 1963. And even if we don't take Schism as evidence, this week's All-New X-Men Annual shows the FF fighting Galactus in Marvel year 1966, when Jean would have been 10 years old,and the original X-Men interacted with the FF prior to the coming of Galactus. So, if we stick with 1956, then as of this week that makes Jean younger than 10 when she joined. Oops!

Somehow marvel year 1963 is equivalent to real-time year 1963. Somehow marvel year 1966 is equivalent to real-time year 1966.
In both marvel year 1966 and real-time year 1966, Marvel Girl was 17 years old. In 1963 marvel year and real-time year, Marvel Girl is 16. After 1963 she ages every Leap year;
1964 17 years
1968 18 years
1972 19 years
1976 20 years, also Marvel Girl goes in suspended animation after X-Men 100. From X-Men 101-137 it was the Phoenix-entity who lived Jean Grey's life, NOT Marvel Girl. Also, while in suspended animation, Marvel Girl no longer ages just like Steve Rogers when he got frozen back in 1944.

1980 20 years (Marvel Girl does not age in her cocoon at the bottom of Jamaica Bay) Also, the Phoenix-entity commits 'suicide'. The Phoenix-entity had lived Jean Grey's life for 4 real-time years = 1 marvel year. Also, according to the tombstone, the Phoenix-entity 'died' at the age of 24, while the still living Marvel Girl was at the age of 20.
1984 20 years (Marvel Girl does not age in her cocoon at the bottom of Jamaica Bay)
1986 20 years, Marvel Girl comes out of her suspended animation. Resumes aging the following Leap years.
1988 21 years
1992 22 years
1996 23 years
2000 24 years
2004 25 years, Marvel Girl is killed in X-Men 150.

[Mutant God]

So the only ages we know for sure are Peter Parker is 28, Valerie Richards is three and Franklin is 7. We have to extrapolate the others from that

I think Peter and Iceman are the same age and Scott is a few years older than them with Emma being at max 12 years over Scott. I believe that before FF were having trouble with their powers, Franklin was 10 and Valeria was 3, and so during the time the Four and kids were travelling through space and time it was about a year or two so I say currently Franklin is 11/12 and Valeria is 4/5.

[Kisinith]

Something to keep in mind for anyone claiming that the recent Annuals definitively establish anything is that in addition to traveling through time they also have her traveling through alternate timelines. Theres nothing in it that explicitly states that the splash panels of her traveling through time relate to Marvel 616.

According to Marvel themselves all of the characters are 14 + x years old. where X= their age when the FF first launched. Due to the sliding timescale the FF started at an indeterminate point in time 14 years before the current date.

[Havok83]

Somehow marvel year 1963 is equivalent to real-time year 1963. Somehow marvel year 1966 is equivalent to real-time year 1966.
In both marvel year 1966 and real-time year 1966, Marvel Girl was 17 years old. In 1963 marvel year and real-time year, Marvel Girl is 16. After 1963 she ages every Leap year;
1964 17 years
1968 18 years
1972 19 years
1976 20 years also, Marvel Girl goes in suspended animation after X-Men 100. From X-Men 100-137 it was the Phoenix-entity who lived Jean Grey's life, NOT Marvel Girl. Also, while in suspended animation, Marvel Girl no longer ages just like Steve Rogers when he got frozen back in 1944.

1980 20 years (Marvel Girl does not age in her cocoon at the bottom of Jamaica Bay) Also, the Phoenix-entity commits 'suicide'. The Phoenix-entity had lived Jean Grey's life for 4 real-time years = 1 marvel year. Also, according to the tombstone, the Phoenix-entity 'died' at the age of 24, while the still living Marvel Girl was at the age of 20.
1984 20 years (Marvel Girl does not age in her cocoon at the bottom of Jamaica Bay)
1986 20 years, Marvel Girl comes out of her suspended animation. Resumes aging the following Leap years.
1988 21 years
1992 22 years
1996 23 years
2000 24 years
2004 25 years, Marvel Girl is killed in X-Men 150.

WTF are you on? No is debating the age of her physical body here. Its the actual age of the character which should be roughly the same as the rest of the O5 +/- 2 years. You just took a really convoluted route to explain away something thats not as complex to grasp. Besides she and Madelyne were portrayed as being the same age. There wasnt a 4-5 year gap between them. Madelyne wasnt portrayed as some young 20 year old when she married and had Scott's baby. Nor was Jean referred to as being much younger than Scott and the rest of the X-men remembered her when they were reunited with her in X-factor #1

And where was it stated that Jean's body didnt age while in a cocoon? The cocoon didnt stop time for her; it healed her injuries. Its not the same as Steve Rogers who was literally frozen, thus stopping any progression for himself. He also had Super Soldier serum which prevented him from aging. Jean did not.

[616MarvelYear is LeapYear]

WTF are you on? No is debating the age of her physical body here. Its the actual age of the character which should be roughly the same as the rest of the O5 +/- 2 years. You just took a really convoluted route to explain away something thats not as complex to grasp. Besides she and Madelyne were portrayed as being the same age. There wasnt a 4-5 year gap between them. Madelyne wasnt portrayed as some young 20 year old when she married and had Scott's baby. Nor was Jean referred to as being much younger than Scott and the rest of the X-men remembered her when they were reunited with her in X-factor #1

And where was it stated that Jean's body didnt age while in a cocoon? The cocoon didnt stop time for her; it healed her injuries. Its not the same as Steve Rogers who was literally frozen, thus stopping any progression for himself. He also had Super Soldier serum which prevented him from aging. Jean did not.

Sorry, I view it as the same as Steve Rogers. Looking back the past 50 years, it has been fortunate for me as a reader that writers of marvel comics did stories about marvel characters that;

had them undergo some form of suspended animation,
having them be de-aged to infants and ultimately restored to their youthful selves
having them being aged to elderly people and ultimately restored to their youthful selves.

It is a tremendous help to explain why certain marvel characters are in their early twenties, late twenties, early thirties or late thirties.
THANKS marvel writers of past stories!

[Gray Lensman]

Sorry, I view it as the same as Steve Rogers. Looking back the past 50 years, it has been fortunate for me as a reader that writers of marvel comics did stories about marvel characters that;

had them undergo some form of suspended animation,
having them be de-aged to infants and ultimately restored to their youthful selves
having them being aged to elderly people and ultimately restored to their youthful selves.

It is a tremendous help to explain why certain marvel characters are in their early twenties, late twenties, early thirties or late thirties.
THANKS marvel writers of past stories!

Normally that is reserved for characters tied to specific events. Both Cap and Magneto are tied very tightly to WWII, which isn't getting any closer.