Marvel Fresh Start: All Books Announced So Far

[Kintor]

Why should it be a celebration of Marvel when they are taking a massive step back in the opinion of many fans? Rather than progressing both as a company and within the stories themselves, were just reverting back to the same thing that Marvel has always been. There are decades of back issues I haven't read that will provide me with the exact same thing as fresh start.

What you propose has nothing to do with progress, those diversity comics were more like weaponised entropy. Print media might be dying but that is no reason to accelerate the process by embracing more low quality books for the sake of representation. The damage that might otherwise have taken two decades to accumulate was wrought in little over two years, with the Tumblr cheer squad praising Marvel all the way. At least now with Fresh Start we have a chance to stop the decay, perhaps even start to grow the industry again once fans see that the iconic heroes have returned.

[Colossus1980]

Which frankly is tragic.

Marvel should still bring out books that feature women and POC because after the success of Black Panther and Wonder Woman, we now know for a fact that there are millions of people that crave entertainment where they actually see people that look like them.

Too bad the success of BP and WW doesn't translate to comic book sales. Even the movies can't get enough people to buy comics. With all the success of movies and TV shows what's going to happen to the print industry when superheroes lose their popularity in those formats?

[Tendrin]

What you propose has nothing to do with progress, those diversity comics were more like weaponised entropy. Print media might be dying but that is no reason to accelerate the process by embracing more low quality books for the sake of representation. The damage that might otherwise have taken two decades to accumulate was wrought in little over two years, with the Tumblr cheer squad praising Marvel all the way. At least now with Fresh Start we have a chance to stop the decay, perhaps even start to grow the industry again once fans see that the iconic heroes have returned.

Hoo boy. Guy, one of the reasons the decay happened is because the industry relied for too long on the same stable of iconic heroes and superhero comics generally, along with the nature of a white, male, conservative fandom. I don't mean politically conservative, either. Going back to these guys isn't going to 'arresst' the decay. Sales may or may not go up, but the issues facing comics remain deep and lack of diversity is part of it.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Hoo boy. Guy, one of the reasons the decay happened is because the industry relied for too long on the same stable of iconic heroes and superhero comics generally, along with the nature of a white, male, conservative fandom. I don't mean politically conservative, either. Going back to these guys isn't going to 'arresst' the decay. Sales may or may not go up, but the issues facing comics remain deep and lack of diversity is part of it.

Funny thing, I'm black and I didn't give even half a damn about diversity in comics. Still don't. All I want, all I ever wanted is to read comics with the characters I grew up with and love. And if all those characters were lily white, so be it, that's my choice, and what I choose to spend my comic book dollars on.

[Crimz]

These are over exaggerate numbers here.
I think the percentage of white male leads books you have given for current marvel book is that not high.
I think it's lower then that.
You leaving out some of the team books as well that could have white males in co-lead roles but they are not the only leads.
A few had no white male co-leads as well.
Here some books before fresh start.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Legacy
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Marvel_Legacy

I check out the list for all new all different marvel too and while the majority of lead books are white leads like i said that 95% to 90% number is too high.
It's lower than that.

Yeah of course its an exaggeration, but the fact is that the majority of books were still white male leads. So who cares about people crying that they got less even though they still had the majority.

[mace11]

Yeah of course its an exaggeration, but the fact is that the majority of books were still white male leads. So who cares about people crying that they got less even though they still had the majority.

Here is an example why i think this is still incorrect.
Most of the solo books were white male leads but most books for example in marvel Legacy are not.

[mace11]

Going back to these guys isn't going to 'arresst' the decay. Sales may or may not go up, but the issues facing comics remain deep and lack of diversity is part of it.

There is plenty of diversity in comics,not a lack of it.
Inside america and outside of it.
There always more room for improvement however.

Note-
In the Exclamation 'THE SENTRY' From Jeff Lemire & Kim Jacinto thread i came back only to edit one of my last posts and i did not read any new replies after that but i did saw your name.
I just wanted you to know that.

[Kurolegacy]

Funny thing, I'm black and I didn't give even half a damn about diversity in comics. Still don't. All I want, all I ever wanted is to read comics with the characters I grew up with and love. And if all those characters were lily white, so be it, that's my choice, and what I choose to spend my comic book dollars on.

As a black comic book reader myself, I agree. It takes more than just a character’s skin color for me to consider a character great as skin color is (literally) only skin deep. Instead it’s the relatability and just what the character represents that are important to me and what I feel ends up making a character iconic. Am I saying that diverse characters can’t become iconic? Not in the least. But if your first and foremost thought is on just what color their skin is, what gender they are or what their sexuality is rather than what makes them relatable at the core of it all, the character is going to have a hard time rising to the level of the icons due to looking only at one thing while not rounding out the rest. It’s not about just being relatable to different walks of life but all.

[ItzdoctorZ]

As a black comic book reader myself, I agree. It takes more than just a character’s skin color for me to consider a character great as skin color is (literally) only skin deep. Instead it’s the relatability and just what the character represents that are important to me and what I feel ends up making a character iconic. Am I saying that diverse characters can’t become iconic? Not in the least. But if your first and foremost thought is on just what color their skin is, what gender they are or what their sexuality is about what makes them relatable at the core of it all, the character is going to have a hard time rising to the level of the icons due to looking only at one thing while not rounding out the rest. It’s not about just being relatable to different walks of life but all.

So basically, "I'll be fine with Marvel just creating white characters"?

[Abe]

So basically, "I'll be fine with Marvel just creating white characters"?

That's really how you read that post?

[ItzdoctorZ]

That's really how you read that post?

People say "why does skin colour matter to relate to a character" yet they are the same people who have a problem with non white characters such as Miles or Riri. Hypocrisy.

[Abe]

People say "why does skin colour matter to relate to a character" yet they are the same people who have a problem with non white characters such as Miles or Riri. Hypocrisy.

Are you sure that both WestPhillyPunisher and Kurolegacy are that kind of people? I know there are some guys like that but that's not what those posts were about...

[Tendrin]

Times are changin', man. Comics are gonna have to change too if they want to survive. And when I say 'comics', I mean the big two. That's just how it is. Readers are just not being replaced at the rate of depletion and if they want to cultivate today's kids, they need to diversify their rosters. That doesn't mean any particular title is good or that I like legacy heroes -- I actually don't -- but Marvel and big two comics in general are in a terrible catch 22 with that. There are a /ton/ of other issues to go right along with these.

[WebLurker]

What you propose has nothing to do with progress, those diversity comics were more like weaponised entropy. Print media might be dying but that is no reason to accelerate the process by embracing more low quality books for the sake of representation. The damage that might otherwise have taken two decades to accumulate was wrought in little over two years, with the Tumblr cheer squad praising Marvel all the way. At least now with Fresh Start we have a chance to stop the decay, perhaps even start to grow the industry again once fans see that the iconic heroes have returned.

The problem with that is, as far as I can tell, is that it assumes that diverse and legacy characters didn't sell period, which seems unlikely given that we do know that some of them were successes. (It also assumes that people only care about the classic characters, which I can confirm is not universally the case.)

[Harsh Lesson]

Funny thing, I'm black and I didn't give even half a damn about diversity in comics. Still don't. All I want, all I ever wanted is to read comics with the characters I grew up with and love. And if all those characters were lily white, so be it, that's my choice, and what I choose to spend my comic book dollars on.

And, some people were comfortable sitting at the back of the bus. Just because you aren’t interested in inclusion and representation in popular media doesn’t mean there isn’t value in it. It’s extremely important, actually, as Black Panther is actively proving.