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    Or rather, Superboy, haha. That's been the thing, superman himself in the background. So even though it's a fun comic, it feels like something major is missing.

    I loved the Bizarro stuff although "bad for everything " is not the opposite of "good for nothing. "

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    Jon reciting prayers before he sleeps was cute...as well as being comforted by the laughter from his parents as they enjoy tv together...just hope that isn't foreshadowing anything from Bendis.

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    I had a little trouble deciphering what Bizarro was saying but other than that, this was such a fun read. I love it from beginning to end. I'm going to really miss Gleason and Tomasi.

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    Jon reciting prayers before he sleeps was cute...as well as being comforted by the laughter from his parents as they enjoy tv together...just hope that isn't foreshadowing anything from Bendis.
    I just took it as them highlighting the differences between Boyzarro and Jon. Boyzarro actually hates his family and is unhappy while Jon loves his family and is a relatively happy kid.
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    Amazing and cute.

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    My favorite part of this is Lois and Clark's banter and teamwork. Cute, charming, complimentary to each other and smart. The vibe is exactly how I've always seen them, and I hope Bendis doesn't screw that up.
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    I'm so sorry about Bizarroboy. His family is pretty much dysfunctional.
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    Damn, this was straight up the best issue of the whole run. It even dethroned issue 7 for me. Its only flaw was maybe that the Bizarro speak was over done a bit. That stuff usually works better in short burst. I could feel myself getting kind of taxed with decoding it without a normal speaking character to contrast off. Had that been the issue, I'd have said it was ambitious but not worth it. But then Jon and Kathy come through playing multiverse hopscotch and suddenly the issue kicks into high gear.

    Tomasi just threw out that awesome bit of high concept (they literally spent the day jumping from universe to universe) and world building while weaving in character for both Jon and Kathy. Then we get to the city and it's nothing but great character stuff. I was particularly into how Lois was written. THAT'S what I've always felt she should sound like if she was a mom. The Clark and Lois tag team was pretty perfect. The art was also next level.

    I can't fault the issue for being about Superboy at this point because that's just how they write the book, and by this point I've come to accept that as their focus. I mean, damn, what else is there to say? This seems like it'll be a fantastic send off arc if Tomasi and Gleason can stick the landing.
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    Bizarro speak gives me a migraine, so I was thankful when Jon and Kathy showed up. It also took me a bit to realize this is the Multiversal Bizarro World, not the Earth-0 Bizarro World established Post-Infinite Crisis, meaning this is a different character from Bizarro #1 (who should be back in continuity following Superman Reborn) and the Bizarro appearing in Red Hood & The Outlaws. It makes me wonder if the grave this Bizarro was visiting at the beginning was the New 52 Bizarro of this world, and this is their version of the Pre-Flashpoint Bizarro, having yet to go through their own "Reborn" event.

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    The way Bizarro speaks is a pain in the ass and always hard to read personally, but damn, I enjoy the character so much that I can't be angry and love how he talks, I probably ain't making sense, but reading an issue with Bizarro is a hate-love relationship. I loved this issue and I hope farther episodes keep the good stuff and it doesn't end up being a dissapointment like Imperius Lex was, despite a promising beggining.
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    Found a Pat Gleason interview on the DC site. Apparently he's the one doing most of the writing for this arc, and now I realize I haven't given him nearly enough credit. Great job Mr Gleason. It'd be really, really nice if we got a Superboy ongoing or limited similar to Son of Batman. This issue restored my faith when it comes to DC allowing Jon to casually go high concept with his world. I mean, there just MUST be a story where he and Kathy get lost in the multiverse or something, right?


    So, it’s been almost two years since you and Peter started your run on Superman. Why do you think it took this long to get to Bizarro?

    It’s two years on a biweekly schedule, so in real schedule time, that’s like four years’ worth of work, basically.

    It’s a good question. He didn’t really stand out to us. But one day I was going through some old sketchbooks and I found one of my first Superman sketches, and I saw this Bizarro sketch that I had done. And I thought that he might be fun to draw. That’s really where it started.

    I met with Pete in Chicago last year and we started kicking around an idea of what the story could be, and it kind of took its shape slowly. Basically, we wanted to do something with Bizarro, but focus on the character. He’s always been Superman’s opposite, but he’s never been this Superman’s opposite, with the family and things like that. That’s what was interesting to me, and Pete and I just had a blast talking about that and what that could look like.

    This comic has some long, extended interior narrative by Bizarro that I actually found a fun sort of challenge to get through. Was that difficult to write?

    Well, it’s interesting. In SUPERMAN #1, the first thing that I wrote was the two-page spread with Clark Kent pulling open his shirt, and that line, “The colors will fly.”

    So, when it came to this, I wanted to do the Bizarro version of that. I have to say, my brain is permanently changed by this. I finished dialoging the last issue, SUPERMAN #44, yesterday. When I got done, I was literally thinking in Bizarro-speak. Something is permanently wrong in my brain now!

    It was a challenge, but like you said, it’s fun challenge. It’s working different muscles, and you kind of play with double meanings and things like that. Again, the reason for that was because we want this Bizarro story to have a deeper meaning. It is fun, but there is really more behind it. At its core, this story is about fathers and sons, and the perception of Superman, Jon and Lois as that perfect family. That whole too-good-to-be-true kind of relationship. What Pete and I were interested in was if there was a version of that relationship that wasn’t perfect.

    One of the thoughts I had after reading this was that you have Superman and Jon who are Kryptonian, along with Bizarro and Boyzarro and Kathy and her grandfather, who also aren’t human. These are all very extreme, otherworldly characters, but the relationships are so recognizable and human. Was that one of your points, showing how universal these bonds are?

    Absolutely. No matter who you are or where you are, the people around you, whether they’re blood relatives or close relationships, they become your family. They become the relationships that shape who you are. That’s always been what we wanted to do with Superman, with Jon, specifically, and Hamilton and Kathy. We didn’t just want to give Jon a town to grow up in and then have him always running off to Metropolis. We wanted Hamilton to be his Smallville.



    We went through a few changes with Kathy. Interestingly, she was originally going to be a villain, and we ended up liking her so much that I told Pete, “I don’t think I can do it. I don’t think I can make her a villain. I like her. She’s almost like a Lana Lang, but different too.”

    Bringing her into this story was very intentional because we’ve always had plans to grow her beyond what she is. I’m always interested in creating new characters and playing with characters that are new because there isn’t a preconceived notion of where they’re going. I like there to be a variety and a freshness where you’re not sure who they are or how they’ll relate. I think it’s been great to see Kathy and Jon grow together and Superman and Boyzarro, too!

    Let’s talk about Boyzarro for a moment. After helping to introduce Jonathan Kent, was it fun to flip it on its head and introduce us to Boyzarro?

    Yes. Boyzarro was an idea that was kind of a joke. “Well, obviously if there’s a Bizarro, we need a Bizarro Boy, too.” That’s what I was calling him at the time. I did a sketch of him, and as soon as I drew it, I knew who that character was. I could see into this character’s soul. He was just a special character. So much so that I actually changed the end of issue #42. The original focus was going to be about Bizarro, but as I was writing the script, I called Pete up and told him that I thought this was actually a Boyzarro and Jon story. There was a fluid, organic process with this. It really took over. There’s a lot more, obviously, to come with him.

    So how did his name evolve from Bizarro Boy to Boyzarro?

    It’s kind of a funny thing. I’m on Instagram and Twitter, and I share artwork and things like that. One day, I decided to show Bizarro Boy off. I was just really proud of him. I’d taken a break from art duties to focus primarily on writing last year, and I just wanted to give people something to look forward to and let them know I was going to come back on art. So, I posted this preliminary design for Bizarro Boy, and the response to it was great. I had multiple people on multiple platforms say, “We love Bizarro Boy, but why didn’t you just call him Boyzarro? It’s right there!”

    And I kind of sat back, and said, “Oh, they’re right! They’re right. That’s a great name!”

    I went back and counted, and there were five or six different people on Instagram and Twitter, and I responded and re-sent the drawing with the name crossed out and Boyzarro written on it instead. I said, “You know what? You guys are right.”



    This first chapter blends humor with pathos pretty effectively, much of it due to the art. How do you pull that off?

    I have a genie in a lamp somewhere. [laughs]

    Obviously, writing with Pete is great because we can bounce these ideas off of each other, and a lot of the terrible ideas that I have never make it to the page because Pete will tell me it’s a terrible idea and not to do it! That’s always what I want to do in a story, whether I’m writing or drawing it. I want to get to the emotion and the character. You could have a great Michael Bay explosion, but if you don’t feel anything about the characters, then it doesn’t matter. If you’re not feeling anything, then all the hours that I put into the art ring hollow. At least for me.


    A benefit to writing and drawing is that I know exactly how they’re feeling, and I have total control of that, so I’m able to arrange things in a way to get the most emotion out of the reader. And it’s not me telling everyone how to feel. I think a lot of it is just getting out of the way. Giving you something to look at and read, and then let the reader fill in the blanks themselves. Less is more sometimes. The reader is bringing something to comics. They’re bringing their own experience, their own pasts and their own relatable feelings to this.

    With this issue, I really wanted to try and do something a little different with the art, which was not just draw with pencil, but with ink too. To ink myself. This not any slight to Mick Gray, who’s a fantastic inker that I’ve worked with for years, but it’s something that for this story, I wanted to have that control over. To approach it different and see if I could make it feel a little different.
    "Mark my words! This drill will open a hole in the universe. And that hole will become a path for those that follow after us. The dreams of those who have fallen. The hopes of those who will follow. Those two sets of dreams weave together into a double helix, drilling a path towards tomorrow. THAT's Tengen Toppa! THAT'S Gurren Lagann! MY DRILL IS THE DRILL THAT CREATES THE HEAVENS!" - The Digger

    We walk on the path to Secher Nbiw. Though hard fought, we walk the Golden Path.

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    Yeah, it's been hard to tell how much Gleason writes, I'm sure there is a lot we credit Tomasi that should go to Gleason. But I guess with how much dialogue was in this issue, we should have figured it was Gleason. His Damian mini series was full of characters talking lol. Also, I love that Kathy design. Really hope she joins the young justice/teen titans team Tomasi is making.

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    I loved the issue. Bizzaro no give me no confusion. Man Bizzarro can be confusing. I still think i could understand more then not understand. But it was all fun. So nice to see Kathy again. I hope she isn't forgotten after Bendis' takeover. Someone mentioned her costume. I liked it too.

    I loved that basically you can't cheat Lois and Clark. They are so good. A really enjoyable issue.

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    Jon and Kathy visiting different universes for fun was fun, so was the rest of the issue. Loved it, easily one of my favorites from their 40 issues of Superman. I wonder who Lois' 'source' at Hamilton was.

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    great issue. Just plain fun. Best in a long time on this title!

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