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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    I wonder if the Bana will show up. If they do, hopefully they'll be handled better than they tend to be.
    Given it’s apparently 9 issues, I imagine a lot of Amazon history stuff from various places will be mined to fill up the story.

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    I wonder how faithful this will be to the Perez version when it comes to the Bana split, if it happens at all. Antiope may still separate from the main tribe, but they may also want to go for movie synergy and have her go to Themyscira. In which case, I kind of prefer Penthesilea be included as the other sister who leads a faction away. She would later die against Achilles, but her faction would become the Bana. Also I think DeConnick and Jimenez would be aware of how problematic the Bana Amazons' original depiction was. Jimenez already wrote them better in his run compared to how most handle them, I expect if we get them they will be more sympathetic. There's a whole list of named Bana Amazons from the Perez run that could be heavily overhauled the way these Amazons are.

    As a side note, with the Well of Souls origin, I've always wondered what made Hippolyta and Antiope sisters. In Greek myth it made sense because they (along with Menalippe and Penthesilea) were the natural result of the union between Ares and Otrera. But if they are reincarnated souls born into magical clay bodies all born at the same time, why are those two blood sisters and the others aren't? Shouldn't all the original 30 be Diana's aunts, not just Antiope?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    As a side note, with the Well of Souls origin, I've always wondered what made Hippolyta and Antiope sisters. In Greek myth it made sense because they (along with Menalippe and Penthesilea) were the natural result of the union between Ares and Otrera. But if they are reincarnated souls born into magical clay bodies all born at the same time, why are those two blood sisters and the others aren't? Shouldn't all the original 30 be Diana's aunts, not just Antiope?
    I think it can be safely assumed that the Pérezian Amazons had rather different views of family and close relationships than modern English usage presupposes. Now, the Amazons are very much underveloped, but if I were to write them I'd have them use "sister" to denote a close friendship and bond, and "aunt" as the equivalent of an honorific for older respected women, if it is to be used at all.
    «Speaking generally, it is because of the desire of the tragic poets for the marvellous that so varied and inconsistent an account of Medea has been given out» (Diodorus Siculus, The Library of History [4.56.1])

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjn View Post
    I think it can be safely assumed that the Pérezian Amazons had rather different views of family and close relationships than modern English usage presupposes. Now, the Amazons are very much underveloped, but if I were to write them I'd have them use "sister" to denote a close friendship and bond, and "aunt" as the equivalent of an honorific for older respected women, if it is to be used at all.
    But don't they always use "sister" in that way anyway? I think that's where the head scratching comes in for me, because they do that while also writing Antiope as an actual familial/biological sister as she is in the myths.

    Was it possible they were blood sister in the previous life when they were killed and it carries over to their reincarnation as Amazons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    I wonder how faithful this will be to the Perez version when it comes to the Bana split, if it happens at all. Antiope may still separate from the main tribe, but they may also want to go for movie synergy and have her go to Themyscira. In which case, I kind of prefer Penthesilea be included as the other sister who leads a faction away. She would later die against Achilles, but her faction would become the Bana. Also I think DeConnick and Jimenez would be aware of how problematic the Bana Amazons' original depiction was. Jimenez already wrote them better in his run compared to how most handle them, I expect if we get them they will be more sympathetic. There's a whole list of named Bana Amazons from the Perez run that could be heavily overhauled the way these Amazons are.

    As a side note, with the Well of Souls origin, I've always wondered what made Hippolyta and Antiope sisters. In Greek myth it made sense because they (along with Menalippe and Penthesilea) were the natural result of the union between Ares and Otrera. But if they are reincarnated souls born into magical clay bodies all born at the same time, why are those two blood sisters and the others aren't? Shouldn't all the original 30 be Diana's aunts, not just Antiope?
    Probably too much to hope for a potential spin-off/sequel focusing on the Bana following their schism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius View Post
    Probably too much to hope for a potential spin-off/sequel focusing on the Bana following their schism.
    It's got to be in at least one of the nine issues.
    Ugh, now I want to see Phil's designs for the Egyptian goddesses. And every named Bana Amazon from the Perez run, no matter how minor, be re-imagined and given cool personalized armor lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    It's got to be in at least one of the nine issues.
    Ugh, now I want to see Phil's designs for the Egyptian goddesses. And every named Bana Amazon from the Perez run, no matter how minor, be re-imagined and given cool personalized armor lol.
    Pretty sure the book either wouldn't come out for another a decade or Jimenez would work himself into an early retirement going wild.

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