Iron Man, Human Torch, Storm & Thing vs. Hulk & She-Hulk

[The Arbiter]

Regular arena fight. No BFR.

I'm not sure what level Tony is these days. Stopped keeping up with him a while ago.

[StupidMoniker]

Without prep I don't think they can take down Hulk. Storm and Johnny probably go down to a thunderclap, leaving Tony and Thing. Thing is like Hulk-lite and I don't think Tony's standard equipment can take Hulk. With prep, Tony can bring the thing he was going to use against Hulk in WWHulk that got switched out without his knowledge.

[rhyvurg]

I don't know about that, Tony doesn't have a great track record for actually being good at making specific countermeasures, even after the push he got after IM1 raising him up from a b-list hero.

[Pendaran]

Team A doesn't really bring enough gun to deal with the Hulk. Especially for that Torch and Storm really should go down to a thunderclap from the Hulk as noted.

[Shellhead]

I don't know about that, Tony doesn't have a great track record for actually being good at making specific countermeasures, even after the push he got after IM1 raising him up from a b-list hero.

B-list? Maybe in Hollywood. Iron Man has starred in his own monthly comic for the last 50 years. Only five other Marvel characters have been at least that successful: Spider-man, Hulk, Thor, Captain America, and Daredevil.

[Captain Morgan]

B-list? Maybe in Hollywood. Iron Man has starred in his own monthly comic for the last 50 years. Only five other Marvel characters have been at least that successful: Spider-man, Hulk, Thor, Captain America, and Daredevil.

Yeah, but if you define A-List as Superman level famous, then the only other two heroes that fit the bill were Batman and Spider-Man. RDJ has definitely upped Stark's name recognition with the general public, and Marvel did push him harder because of it.

[Cyke]

B-list? Maybe in Hollywood. Iron Man has starred in his own monthly comic for the last 50 years. Only five other Marvel characters have been at least that successful: Spider-man, Hulk, Thor, Captain America, and Daredevil.

I dunno, of all those characters, only Spider-Man's the only one who hasn't had a total reboot or replacement. Even when Ben Reilly took up the mantle, Peter was still a supporting character, like Tony to Rhodey in the Iron Man suit. Thor, Cap, and Iron Man were replaced for Heroes Reborn because their regular sales were in the dumps (and even before then, Teen Iron Man was an attempt to make him edgier, more hip, and 'darker.'). Daredevil's consistent but he's often *this* close to cancellation, if not outright cancelled like in 2013.

I feel like I'd have to concur with rhyvurg. Iron Man's a consistent character, no doubt, but I feel like he's closer to Flash or GL in that regard, and not at Spidey/Superman/Batman levels until the movies (or rather, when Marvel really started pushing him in the 2000s).

On a side, I feel like there are people -- normal fans and comic fans alike -- who are surprised that Black Panther isn't bigger in Marvel. The runaway success of the movie definitely elevates him into the limelight, but Marvel didn't really start taking him seriously until the late 90s, even though he was always a dependable presence in the comics. Sure, he didn't have his own long-lasting title like Iron Man, but I feel like the success of both of their movies kind of adds a bit of revisionism to the ups and downs of their own comic book popularity over the decades.

[Guy1]

well, since it's Storm related, here's something I wanted to get off my chest, regarding the whole Shadow King thing.

EXHIBIT A: Storm is blasted down.
https://i.imgur.com/jm7a9yi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Bb5kPoF.jpg

EXHIBIT B: Storm herself admitting she was injured and out of the battle.
https://i.imgur.com/ilmKXDe.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Xl1CSwl.jpg

Granted, doesn't make much of a difference here, Hulk Smash and all, but I wanted to clear that up.