Lord of the Rings - Thor

[vitruvian]

Thanks for all this input. It clears up my understanding a little more. I forgot about the pre-Asgardian Gods and what they created, and that the current iteration of Odin and Asgard is indeed a more modern version, so Odin may be unaware of the roots of the 10 worlds. I just wonder if after each Ragnarok death, Odin remembers everything from his previous iterations, because he remembered Cul, and that was a few iterations ago I would have thought, as the current Thor has no memory of Cul? And as we saw in one Fear Itself Book, Odin cradled baby Thor after he killed Cul. Are we to understand the Ragnarok of the 2000's by Dan Jurgens was the first after Cul was defeated? That would make the Ragnarok of Avengers Disassembled the second.

Nah, you're right that Odin seems to recall events from long before the current cycle of Ragnarok (and I mean current as in the one seen in the majority of Thor comics prior to the one Thor presided over and Asgard coming back from Limbo near Broxton, supposedly not to have to deal with the cycle any longer). After all, we know that the light of the previous Asgard was seen on Earth only a little more than two millennia ago (although it could have taken some time for that light to get there), and that there have been numerous cycles during times when the human race was around to have their perceptions of the Asgardians shaped by the earlier iterations... e.g., seeing Thor as redhaired and bearded like Red Norvell, as the previous Thor was. And the cycles, or at least the ones where the Asgardians went by recognizable names, appear to have started up after the Hyborian Age (or let's say Kulan Gath's time, if that's the only part of that mythos Marvel retains rights to)...

But the Serpent's minions were talking about being around when dinosaurs were still present, and it didn't seem like they were referring to the Savage Land... which would put the Cul/Odin thing waaay back, many cycles ago, if not before other stories have led us to believe they began.

[Daeron]

No way would it fit, unless you care to completely destroy the legacy of a work of literature, compared to which Marvel comics might as well be toilet paper. Please don't give Disney/Marvel any ideas!

[jazzflower92]

Hey, wasn't Ganondorf based on Wanderer Odin.

[jackolover]

No way would it fit, unless you care to completely destroy the legacy of a work of literature, compared to which Marvel comics might as well be toilet paper. Please don't give Disney/Marvel any ideas!

Yes, LOTR is a great piece of literature, and it is this translation onto the screen that lends itself to a better Marvel Asgard. LOTR gives a wider breadth and spectacle than Marvel Asgard, as the prose sweeps across the landscape. Marvel Asgard could use a similar mapping of its action if it did something like a Tales of Asgard story, where it never encountered the modern society of Midgard, but just remained in the 9 worlds.

[vitruvian]

Yes, LOTR is a great piece of literature, and it is this translation onto the screen that lends itself to a better Marvel Asgard. LOTR gives a wider breadth and spectacle than Marvel Asgard, as the prose sweeps across the landscape. Marvel Asgard could use a similar mapping of its action if it did something like a Tales of Asgard story, where it never encountered the modern society of Midgard, but just remained in the 9 worlds.

That's nonsensical, considering Midgard is one of those 9.

[Daeron]

Yes, LOTR is a great piece of literature, and it is this translation onto the screen that lends itself to a better Marvel Asgard. LOTR gives a wider breadth and spectacle than Marvel Asgard, as the prose sweeps across the landscape. Marvel Asgard could use a similar mapping of its action if it did something like a Tales of Asgard story, where it never encountered the modern society of Midgard, but just remained in the 9 worlds.

That I could see, inspired by, but not derivative.

[jackolover]

That's nonsensical, considering Midgard is one of those 9.

I know, but Tales of Asgard never encountered Midgard.

[FLEX HECTIC]

Is anyone in The Lord of The Rings at 100 class strength?


I see Thor's hammer settling a lot of disputes without the need of any arrows from those elves whatsoever!


Even the giant spiders would get crushed wholesale by Thor all day every day!

[jackolover]

Is anyone in The Lord of The Rings at 100 class strength?


I see Thor's hammer settling a lot of disputes without the need of any arrows from those elves whatsoever!


Even the giant spiders would get crushed wholesale by Thor all day every day!

How good is that ring anyway? If it makes you invisible, can it also do other things too?

[Daeron]

How good is that ring anyway? If it makes you invisible, can it also do other things too?

The ring contains most of Sauron's power and he's one of the most powerful Maiar. He created it to try and control the bearers of the three elven rings. But how much power it gives to someone else depends entirely on whether that person or creature has power of its own. There are only a few in the LotR who could actually pose a serious threat to Sauron if they'd had taken the ring. Aragorn, Galadriel, Saruman, Denethor, Gandalf, maybe Faramir and of course Elrond and a few Elf lords. And because most of Sauron is in that ring and he is one of the greatest Maiar, all of those would be corrupted by its very nature.

Magic in LotR is for the most part quite different from what we see in Marvel. Finrod Felagund had a sort of magic battle with Sauron in the second age that was in the form of two opposing songs. Luthien sang everyone including Morgoth (the original evil) to sleep with a song. Gandalf is shown using words of command though, he never really sings, but because he has power, there is power in his words.

Arda itself was created by Eru in a song with the Valar, Maiar and other spirits and its said that when the world is broken, the spirits of men will join Eru in a second song to create a new and perfect earth. That's why unlike elves, men are not immortal, they leave the world completely to join Eru while elves are bound to it and won't take part in the creation of the new world, but will maybe get to live in it.

[FLEX HECTIC]

Most of the orcs were getting killed by human warriors and a few Hobbits here and there... I don't think they had one legitimate feat that would imply the ability to handle Thor with or without his mighty hammer!


The Warriors Three let alone the armies of Asgard would have a field day with the Orcs and after Odin or Thor poked Sauron in the eye that war would be over before the Fellowship of the Ring left on that long journey to toss the ring into the fiery lava!


Not to mention Thor could call the other Avengers and wipe the bad guys off the map faster than you can say Stark Technology or Dr. Strange... Balrog might make a decent showing but entities like him are a dime a dozen in the Marvel universe!

[vitruvian]

I know, but Tales of Asgard never encountered Midgard.

Then it would be 8 worlds.

[jackolover]

The ring contains most of Sauron's power and he's one of the most powerful Maiar. He created it to try and control the bearers of the three elven rings. But how much power it gives to someone else depends entirely on whether that person or creature has power of its own. There are only a few in the LotR who could actually pose a serious threat to Sauron if they'd had taken the ring. Aragorn, Galadriel, Saruman, Denethor, Gandalf, maybe Faramir and of course Elrond and a few Elf lords. And because most of Sauron is in that ring and he is one of the greatest Maiar, all of those would be corrupted by its very nature.

Magic in LotR is for the most part quite different from what we see in Marvel. Finrod Felagund had a sort of magic battle with Sauron in the second age that was in the form of two opposing songs. Luthien sang everyone including Morgoth (the original evil) to sleep with a song. Gandalf is shown using words of command though, he never really sings, but because he has power, there is power in his words.

Arda itself was created by Eru in a song with the Valar, Maiar and other spirits and its said that when the world is broken, the spirits of men will join Eru in a second song to create a new and perfect earth. That's why unlike elves, men are not immortal, they leave the world completely to join Eru while elves are bound to it and won't take part in the creation of the new world, but will maybe get to live in it.

So if Thor came face to face with someone attacking Thor with the ring, Thor would be fighting an evil Magician? That never goes well for Thor. So, it would be like fighting the Enchantress, or the Queen of Norns?

[jackolover]

Then it would be 8 worlds.

Yes, it would only be 8 worlds.

[jackolover]

Most of the orcs were getting killed by human warriors and a few Hobbits here and there... I don't think they had one legitimate feat that would imply the ability to handle Thor with or without his mighty hammer!


The Warriors Three let alone the armies of Asgard would have a field day with the Orcs and after Odin or Thor poked Sauron in the eye that war would be over before the Fellowship of the Ring left on that long journey to toss the ring into the fiery lava!


Not to mention Thor could call the other Avengers and wipe the bad guys off the map faster than you can say Stark Technology or Dr. Strange... Balrog might make a decent showing but entities like him are a dime a dozen in the Marvel universe!

Odin or the Allmothers never get involved with common other world adventures, so I imagine its just Thor and the warriors 3 up against the Orcs, giant spiders, the Dark riders, and dragons. I wouldn't expect Thor to involve the Avengers or Midgard at all. But once Thor and crew came up against the ring bearer, I would think they would have trouble. But if the ring only turns you evil and let's you have invisibility, then the ring isn't all that much.