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    Quote Originally Posted by Armor of God View Post
    Yeah except Batman is overexposed in his own book is a ridiculous argument and that's before you get to sexism.
    I kind of agree with the bolded, but I don't know if I would classify what we've gotten for Catwoman has been over exposure so far. She's more of a co-lead, which since we are dealing ith an engagement/marriage plot, is to be expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    I kind of agree with the bolded, but I don't know if I would classify what we've gotten for Catwoman has been over exposure so far. She's more of a co-lead, which since we are dealing ith an engagement/marriage plot, is to be expected.
    If she was really being over-exposed they would probably shove her into as many Bat-Books as possible, but most titles have hardly acknowledged the engagement at all.

    Compared to Harley and Ivy I'd say Selina is pretty under-exposed.

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    I do not mind when selina is the lead in her own book but making batman look like a clown for the sake of this marriage stunt is quite off putting. I think Selina morally is the dcu version of Lupin the third and still is in that stage of doing whatever she wants on her terms why is it so far bruce is written out of character bending over to her whims. This just make the marriage a bad idea if king writes bruce like this but the tom king king brigade certainly do not see that

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    I really would not prefer to see any marriages for Bruce Wayne specifically, but if it has to happen I feel like its been dragging on for too long. Especially since I can't stand the way Tom King writes either character dialogues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebluefeline View Post
    I really would not prefer to see any marriages for Bruce Wayne specifically, but if it has to happen I feel like its been dragging on for too long. Especially since I can't stand the way Tom King writes either character dialogues.
    The sad thing about comic marriage is you know it is going to end at one point. If you ship the couple that is heartbreaking for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confuzzled View Post
    Holly yes. But are Selina's connections to Slam and Ted in continuity any more?
    Not sure about Slam, that why I said Missing as we don't know what the heck happened to him. Ted on the other hand, it seems like anyone trying to do anything with the JSA characters are being held back right now due to the delays with the Dooms day clock story; and, because that is a JSA centered story, anything to do with Ted and his past with Selena can't be addressed until we get to the end of that story. This whole thing would have worked better in Pre 52 as there was more room for it to be something that made sense. But....52 screwed that up and now we have what we have.


    Quote Originally Posted by WonderScott View Post
    Maybe the former has yet to be discussed, because we're in the middle of the Batpoint story?
    I should have been one of the first things that Bruce talked about with her. Not only due to him being Batman, but for him as head of the Wayne family, it would look really really bad if his "wife" or "girlfriend", or however they're going to play that, was caught stealing. Scandal could lead to some serious issues, and I don't think the board would be too keen on that.

    For the latter, I kind of like that Selina is going it alone as a counterpoint to the extensive Batfamly she's about to join. At least I hope King explores that she's not been a joiner (whether with heroes or other villains) very much in the past, besides a few relationships. It sets her up for new challenges in being a teammate to Bruce, Alfred, Dick, Damian, Barbara, Tim, Stephanie, Kate, Bette, Cass, etc. I can see Selina being entirely uncomfortable with some of that and trying to figure out how to be another leader, sister, friend, matriarch, etc. to this extensive group of vigilantes.
    To a point sure. The problem is that if you want Selina to have a counterpoint to Bruce she will eventually need someone that is not the batfamily to connect with. She needs people outside the batfamily, just as the other characters do too. Each one has their own outside group. Bruce has the JL, Alfred has his buds that were former MI6, Dick has the Titans, Damian has Jon and the Teen Titans, Tim has the YJ crew, Steph and Cass have Harper and the BOP, Bette and Kate have their own extended groups like Renee and other friends. Selina needs this, and I don't mean Ivy and Harley. Holly and Slam both gave us strong sides to her. Holly her more sisterly view, and Slam as someone who can see the good in her and the heroic side of her even if he doesn't agree with her looting. He also was one of the few characters along with Bruce that has told her over and over, to give up the stealing and use her skills for better things.

    (Holly never thrilled me as a character, so I'm kind of biased that she's off the table so to speak.)

    I mean, do other Gothamites and Leaguers have fair (or unfair) expectations of her because she's marrying the Bat? Some of those encounters and stories still need to be told. To me, we're at the beginning of that (hopefully.)
    That's fine, not everyone is going to love a character. As far as the Gothamites, I would say (if they know that Selina is marrying Bruce Wayne) that there's going to be consequences to this. Either because someone will out her as Catwoman, or, due to the fact of where she came from, or for the fact that Bruce has had his fair share of ladies and she's not exactly someone that they would see as the type to marry him. (Also I would think that they should bring back Julie because she just gave up being married to him for the sake of Gotham, so this has to hurt some what.) As for the League, Mixed bag there. Superman seemed okay with it for the most part since he and Bruce went on a double date with Lois and Selina. However, I would think some of the others would have something to say, and I know that Kate Kane will not be to thrilled due to her connection with Renee. That's not even to mention someone like Green Arrow or Hal, seeing as he probably would still see her as a thief and her connections to the underworld would possible be an issue there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarantino View Post
    The sad thing about comic marriage is you know it is going to end at one point. If you ship the couple that is heartbreaking for you.
    Yeah well, Batcat fans can then enjoy the pain that we of both the Spider-marriage have been going through for over a decade now, and those of us of Lane and Kent were dealing with a few years ago. Welcome to the world of shipping. If you didn't think you were going to be in for heart ache with Comics then you're in the wrong reading area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkspellmaster View Post
    Not sure about Slam, that why I said Missing as we don't know what the heck happened to him. Ted on the other hand, it seems like anyone trying to do anything with the JSA characters are being held back right now due to the delays with the Dooms day clock story; and, because that is a JSA centered story, anything to do with Ted and his past with Selena can't be addressed until we get to the end of that story. This whole thing would have worked better in Pre 52 as there was more room for it to be something that made sense. But....52 screwed that up and now we have what we have.




    I should have been one of the first things that Bruce talked about with her. Not only due to him being Batman, but for him as head of the Wayne family, it would look really really bad if his "wife" or "girlfriend", or however they're going to play that, was caught stealing. Scandal could lead to some serious issues, and I don't think the board would be too keen on that.



    To a point sure. The problem is that if you want Selina to have a counterpoint to Bruce she will eventually need someone that is not the batfamily to connect with. She needs people outside the batfamily, just as the other characters do too. Each one has their own outside group. Bruce has the JL, Alfred has his buds that were former MI6, Dick has the Titans, Damian has Jon and the Teen Titans, Tim has the YJ crew, Steph and Cass have Harper and the BOP, Bette and Kate have their own extended groups like Renee and other friends. Selina needs this, and I don't mean Ivy and Harley. Holly and Slam both gave us strong sides to her. Holly her more sisterly view, and Slam as someone who can see the good in her and the heroic side of her even if he doesn't agree with her looting. He also was one of the few characters along with Bruce that has told her over and over, to give up the stealing and use her skills for better things.



    That's fine, not everyone is going to love a character. As far as the Gothamites, I would say (if they know that Selina is marrying Bruce Wayne) that there's going to be consequences to this. Either because someone will out her as Catwoman, or, due to the fact of where she came from, or for the fact that Bruce has had his fair share of ladies and she's not exactly someone that they would see as the type to marry him. (Also I would think that they should bring back Julie because she just gave up being married to him for the sake of Gotham, so this has to hurt some what.) As for the League, Mixed bag there. Superman seemed okay with it for the most part since he and Bruce went on a double date with Lois and Selina. However, I would think some of the others would have something to say, and I know that Kate Kane will not be to thrilled due to her connection with Renee. That's not even to mention someone like Green Arrow or Hal, seeing as he probably would still see her as a thief and her connections to the underworld would possible be an issue there.



    Yeah well, Batcat fans can then enjoy the pain that we of both the Spider-marriage have been going through for over a decade now, and those of us of Lane and Kent were dealing with a few years ago. Welcome to the world of shipping. If you didn't think you were going to be in for heart ache with Comics then you're in the wrong reading area.
    I am both a Bruce/Selina fan and Peter/Mary Jane fan.

    The reason that I am more into Batman comics is because of Bruce/Selina relationship.
    If Peter and Mary Jane got back together again, then I would be more into Spider-Man comics.
    I created a thread about Dick Grayson/Nightwing and Koriand'r/Starfire. It is to acknowledge and honor their iconic and popular relationship.

    I created a fan page about Peter Parker/Spider-Man and Mary Jane Watson. This page is for all the Spider-Marriage fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starrius View Post
    I am both a Bruce/Selina fan and Peter/Mary Jane fan.

    The reason that I am more into Batman comics is because of Bruce/Selina relationship.
    If Peter and Mary Jane got back together again, then I would be more into Spider-Man comics.
    The problem with the later is that there's some sort of ban on that due to the weird thought that it ages Peter, or just that some people don't like her.

    And glad that you like her and him together, I don't. I like them both as characters but I honestly don't think that they work as well as a team.

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    I wish Peter/Mary Jane was together again as well. Rebirth may have fixed superman but actually ruined batman for the first time and wonderwoman is still being underappreciated in her own book. As for bat/cat it does not make sense to me because bruce is still allowing her to steal why does she need to so she will not get bored. That is why the marriage makes no sense on earth 2 selina legitimately reformed here on this version crickets on that. that is why batman's character is being badly written and he is being nerfed on the action scenes as well to make selina necessary in his life. They are to similar when it comes to fighting style and expertise in an area. They are both infiltration specialists and peak human martial artists. That is the same reason why the superman wonderwoman scenes did not work our besides the forced romance ironically the same is happening here. But no one seems to care about that. Just my ship is finally being recognized by the fandom. To make it work you have to write one or both completely out of character to make it last. SO it will not because of that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarantino View Post
    The sad thing about comic marriage is you know it is going to end at one point. If you ship the couple that is heartbreaking for you.
    Honestly, I'm a huge BatCat fan, but I would not be bummed to see the marriage because I know that wouldn't put any kind of end to their relationship or romance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the illustrious mr. kenway View Post
    This would be a great time to bring in Dr. Leslie Thompkins. He has a history of seeing both of them as clients.

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    Wow that article makes sense if there is a pair who needs pre and post martial counseling it is bruce and selina. This makes sense if you ask me if they really want this to work and make it believable this so called romance I have not seen in this continuity until now. Even as an anti marriage person this would at least make this pairing make sense to me. Should of included that idea sooner but you have to really know the characters to add it I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonsense man View Post
    Wow that article makes sense if there is a pair who needs pre and post martial counseling it is bruce and selina. This makes sense if you ask me if they really want this to work and make it believable this so called romance I have not seen in this continuity until now. Even as an anti marriage person this would at least make this pairing make sense to me. Should of included that idea sooner but you have to really know the characters to add it I guess.
    Yeah, there's a lot of issues going on with both of them. Not to say that they're not good people, just that there's a lot going on there in their own minds and hearts. I would totally think that Leslie would be a great choice to help them deal with a lot of this if DC is serious on making them a power couple like Lois and Clark, but...I worry that writers still want that back and forth between them so this might not work out in the end.

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