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  1. #151
    A Wearied Madness Vakanai's Avatar
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    Haven't read much of either (Court of Owls and Zero Year for Snyder, War of Jokes and Riddles for King), so I can't make a great comparison, but...

    Court of Owls is pretty good, and I can see how people love it, but it seems over-hyped to me. The Court of Owls is a great idea like R'as al Ghul and I hope over the decades to come that whole idea and concept enriches the mythos, but the ending always rankled me in that you needed to get City of Owls or whatever to finish it. Court always felt incomplete by itself.

    Zero Year is a mixed situation. Secret City with the Red Hood is one of my favorite stories in my limited collection, and I prefer it over The Killing Joke as an origin for the Joker (before you get out the torches, I do love this story dearly, but for a multiple choice Joker origin Zero Year - Secret City is more epic), and over Year One for Batman (before you get out the pitchforks, I do consider Year One the better story, but it works better as a Jim Gordon origin than as Batman's). Plus the updated version of Batman's original purple gloves costume is pretty neat. And I loved how Riddler came across during Secret City and made me super excited to read his half of Zero Year...but that's where it gets less good. Dark City and Savage City never quite reach the same height as the first entry of the arc. It was still a fun ride though and parts of it were pretty cool, but felt a bit like a letdown after the first part. I should reread it soon and see how I feel about it years later.

    Zero Year actually reminds me of Earth One in a way - both got me really excited for a great modern Riddler introduction story, and neither quite delivered what I was hoping for.

    War of Jokes and Riddles is also a bit of a mixed bag too, albeit in different ways. I certainly understand the criticism that they tell us rather than show us why this gang war is so bad, when really I wanted to see more of the violence on the streets and the consequences and collateral damage to Gotham. People keep saying that the original plan was for 12 issues, and I think it could have been better with more room for the war to really breathe. That said, there is really some good stuff here. I loved the dialogue, how Joker and Riddler traded jokes and riddles to cut one another down verbally was fun! This story actually managed to make you like and root for Kite Man of all people, while still very much keeping him a joke villain and making that okay. The Riddler actually felt like an A lister level threat alongside the Joker unlike Zero Year while making him mostly live up to that smartest man in the room bit he believes that he is. And I know some fans complain whenever Deathstroke appears outside his rivalry/deviltry with Dick, but it works here because this is pre-Robin. There's no reason to believe in all his years as a criminal mercenary before the Teen Titans he couldn't have come into conflict with Batman or other heroes. I even thought Batman trying to kill the Riddler for killing Kite Man's kid just for a scheme to prove how smart he is really worked, and the Joker stopped Batman from doing it (why?)!

    In conclusion, both writers have given me stories that are flawed yet ultimately fun. But if I have to choose between the two, I give Snyder and Zero Year the clear edge over King and the War of Jokes and Riddles, but from what I've read I really don't understand the hate either gets.

  2. #152
    Incredible Member Black_Adam's Avatar
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    I enjoy King's run well enough, I Am Bane is probably my favourite story of his. But as others have mentioned King's dialogue for Batman just feels a bit off, he writes a Batman who feels very robotic, apathetic and disconnected it's hard to like his version sometimes. Even the whole Bat-Cat engagement feels unnatural and contrived. Now it seems the modern version of Batman means = arrogant, dour, douchebag, but Batman for me has always had a very strong moral compass and one of his most underrated qualities is his compassion, I mean he did adopt 3 young boys. I don't think King quite captures this aspect of the character or at least does a very good job showing it.

    Snyder wasn't perfect (one of the dumbest things I ever read is that time he punched Dick in the face just to make a point) but IMO he did a better job of capturing the emotion of the character.
    When you crush an ant beneath your foot, do feel remorse? No. Is this because you are evil or because you recognize yourself as a higher form of life? This is what the Wizard could not understand. If I have the powers of the gods, then am I not a god myself? Should I not be treated as such?

  3. #153
    CBR got me like.. Maxpower00044's Avatar
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    While King is one of my favorite writers going right now, and his Batman has had some great high points (Rooftops, Brave and the Mold, Annual 2), I gotta give it to Snyder, hands down. Snyder and Capullo’s run will always be one of my favorite runs on the character.
    "The more 'realistic' superheroes become the less believable they are." - David Mazzucchelli

  4. #154
    Loony Scott Taylor's Avatar
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    Snyder is better at concept and plot, but his endings sucked almost all the way around. King has less spectacular stories, but really sticks every ending well.

    Overall I was disappointed with Snyder's run even though it had higher highs. King's run hasn't really disappointed me yet.
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