I'm not being obtuse. The question is if we're jealous of Marvel's cinematic universe and I don't give a damn about the shared universe. The fact DC is going outside the shared universe with JOKER and The Batman is great. It never said anything in the OP that we could only compare the MCU to the DCEU, so why should I limit myself to the crapola I don't care about? I prefer standalones over shared continuity.